spice-boy

I prefer to never read articles because my opinion will always be the same regardless. 
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lkrupp said:

spice-boy said:

GeorgeBMac said:

spice-boy said:

apple ][ said:

spice-boy said:

Yes, jobs that pay above minimum wage is what built the middle class, 40 years ago we paid what things actually cost to make without using slave labor. 

There is no slave labor. That would be false.

The Chinese workers make a decent wage.

And if anybody truly believes that Apple uses slave labor and those same people go around making slanderous, false and dumb claims, why in the world would they continue to use any Apple products or even come to an Apple forum?

These people obviously have zero principles in addition to having a very loose relationship with the truth and facts.

Please watch the documentary "American Factory" don't worry it almost no subtitles. You should educate yourself to the differences to what American workers have compared to their direct counterparts in the same company's factory in China. I don't expect an apology from you but educating you would be my reward. 

Perhaps the reasons you site are the same reasons American industry started becoming Asian industry 50 years ago.

100+ years ago America became the industrial center of the world by being the best and the cheapest.   Now that title belongs to Asia -- and mostly to China.  When and only when we can reclaim being the best and the cheapest will industry be returning here.

The type of industry you mentioned will never come back to the USA. Here's an example, I walked by a store on lower 5th Ave here in NYC, men's jeans were $15 a pair. When I entered the 7th grade in 1970 I recall buying a pair of pants in my small hometown's Main Street those pants were $15, Forty some years ago we bought things made by union workers, people I knew parent's were union workers, we all had what we needed to get by and be happy. Today consuming is non stop, the price of clothes, and other manufactured things are way below where they should be to encourage more consumption. The way this is done is to keep labor cost as low as possible and that is only possible in countries which are controlled by dictatorships like China. Every time you buy an Apple product a dictator gets his wings. 

So can we assume you neither own nor use any Apple products? If you do, why? If not, why are you here? Very simple questions but I'm thinking you won't answer them. Or are you just a hypocrite who doesn't put their pocketbook where their ideology is?

First Mac was the 6100 Power Mac, bought new in I believe 94'. Most recent purchase, Apple Watch white ceramic series 5, 2019 iMac 3.7 ghz, owned various iPads and the original iPhone bought on launch day at the Soho Store in NYC. in 2007. Never owned a PC, or non Apple cell phone. I got my employer in the 90's to switch from PC's to Macs. Unlike so many of you I do not defend Apple's missteps and am openly critical of bad products and software because they are all a bunch of grownups who make tons of money and can handle it. I have also introduced many friends to Apple over the years including those "beleaguered years". 
I am openly politically progressive and would be a perfect fit with most people who run Apple. I also like to argue with people with libertarian ideas who I consider selfish, only concerned about money and self wealth. Proud New Yorker who speaks his mind and has super low tolerance for bullshit artist such as that low class street thug from Queens who scammed this country's country bumpkins into electing him as President. Any other questions?

GeorgeBMac said:

spice-boy said:

apple ][ said:

spice-boy said:

Yes, jobs that pay above minimum wage is what built the middle class, 40 years ago we paid what things actually cost to make without using slave labor. 

There is no slave labor. That would be false.

The Chinese workers make a decent wage.

And if anybody truly believes that Apple uses slave labor and those same people go around making slanderous, false and dumb claims, why in the world would they continue to use any Apple products or even come to an Apple forum?

These people obviously have zero principles in addition to having a very loose relationship with the truth and facts.

Please watch the documentary "American Factory" don't worry it almost no subtitles. You should educate yourself to the differences to what American workers have compared to their direct counterparts in the same company's factory in China. I don't expect an apology from you but educating you would be my reward. 

Perhaps the reasons you site are the same reasons American industry started becoming Asian industry 50 years ago.

100+ years ago America became the industrial center of the world by being the best and the cheapest.   Now that title belongs to Asia -- and mostly to China.  When and only when we can reclaim being the best and the cheapest will industry be returning here.

The type of industry you mentioned will never come back to the USA. Here's an example, I walked by a store on lower 5th Ave here in NYC, men's jeans were $15 a pair. When I entered the 7th grade in 1970 I recall buying a pair of pants in my small hometown's Main Street those pants were $15, Forty some years ago we bought things made by union workers, people I knew parent's were union workers, we all had what we needed to get by and be happy. Today consuming is non stop, the price of clothes, and other manufactured things are way below where they should be to encourage more consumption. The way this is done is to keep labor cost as low as possible and that is only possible in countries which are controlled by dictatorships like China. Every time you buy an Apple product a dictator gets his wings. 

seanismorris said:

Raise your hand if you’ve thrown away disposable/removable batteries.  I have. I know they’re toxic as hell, but finding out where they should go isn’t easy or convenient.  

You know what battery I didn’t throw away? The one in my iPhone when I got it replaced at the Apple Store.

Green? Is there anyone more stupid than a bureaucrats...

P.S
I really would like to ensure batteries are disposable of /recycled properly... any place that sells electronics should accept them.  That would be 1000% better than their proposal.

I guess you have never been to Europe, yes ordinary people recycle just about everything, as am American I can't get over how backwards we are here in regards to this. 

lkrupp said:

It started with the mandated charger port. Like we didn't see this coming. Once bureaucrats get their hands on something it's all over. Can you imagine what an iPhone or Samsung phone will look like when its design has been mandated by a government bureaucracy. Next up, a physical keyboard (because you can't conduct business with a touch screen keyboard, just like Steve Balmer predicted). /s Remember those before-and-after smartphone pictures when the iPhone was released? Talk about a retrograde!

Am I being hysterical? Maybe, but trust me, bureaucrats know no boundaries when they are "serving the people". 

Looks like Europe is looking out for its people interest over that of global corporations, sounds good to me.