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nunzy said:

10 years is way too short of a time. If anybody hurts Apple they should be in prison at hard labor for the rest of their lives.

This is a national security issue. Does China really think that they could beat us in a war?

Well you’d get along right well in China.  Life sentence with hard labor no chance of parol. That certainly isn’t the American way.

The only way to win a military war against China is to not fight it. Even if you win you lose.

Further, while I feel bad for the average people this type of theft hurts, I don’t feel bad for Apple the company. Companies like Apple fought hard to get the US government to open trade barriers with a China. They wanted to take advantage of cheap labor and a potential large market to sell to. They were willing to over look the fact China had been stealing trade secrets for years. I still remember the Apple commercial that said the computer was so powerful that the US government wouldn’t let it be exported to china.

The irony is China has for the most part stolen the trade secrets of all the US companies who moved there, created cheaper knock off products, and created obstacles for companies to compete fairly in China.

This type of tactic is old school and probably happens on a large scale.


It it is also said because many skills have been lost to Americans when all the jobs moved over seas.

Apple isn’t actively targeting Sonos. It is entering the same space, but I doubt Tim is saying let’s crush Sonos.

Google and Amazon are the likely targets.

With that said, other than for some to get rich, what is the point of the IPO? How specifically will the raised money be used? Sonos points to some challenges, so what is it going to do to address those?

SpamSandwich said:

A little surprised they took this long to come around to the right conclusion since they are so concerned about the bottom dollar.

Not me. It likely took IBM’s support to make the case. Walmart relies on IBM infrastructure, and IBM support probably made Walmart see the wisdom of the move. 

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mubaili said:

Shame on Apple. Shouldn't they try to make the regulators work a bit harder to at least produce some evidence that an violation indeed happened? Apple is walking down a very slippery slope. I wish Apple can put up a fight when a fight is called.

Interesting that Apple is being condemned instead of the NYT. Instead of fighting for itself, it is blaming Apple. Well, the NYT will earn a lot of money from clicks on articles tarnishing Apple for obeying Chinese law. Taking the word of the NYT about what happened is stupid. We have no idea what Apple did or did not do before removing the NYT app. Trusting the NYT to tell the truth is foolish. 

We can all read between the lines. They exposed the cozy relationship between apple and china and they paid the price. Simple... I find it nauseating however, how apple quickly bends over to accommodate China's requests but willfully drags their heels when dealing with our govt. I'm curious where apple will draw the line when it comes to China's requests. When they ask for a backdoor?

I'm not sure what you find nauseating. In the US, Apple has legal rights, in China it does not. In the US, opposing the government when it goes against your values is patriotic in China it can be a death sentence. Challenging the government in the US is legal, challenging it in China could potentially kill all its manufacturing.

what I find nauseating is all the US companies that in the midst of the healthiest economic boom moved all their manufacturing to China to begin with in the hopes of selling to a large market essentially killing the US economy. 

Labor may be cheaper, but you've essentially given up all your trade secrets because the Chinese government doesn't protect foreign investment. Insiders rip off Apple, beat Apple to the market with a cheap knock off product, and then sue Apple for knocking off their knock off products. Crazy. Further, unlike in the US, the Chinese heavily favors local companies and makes it very difficult for companies like Apple to compete.

Further, many of the Chinese manufacturers who manufacture US products manufacture cheaper knock offs or outright counterfeits essentially using their insider status to effectively compete with their US customers.

Back in the US, Amazon knowingly sells Chinese counterfeit products further displacing US companies. 

Meanwhile, the Chinese benefit and the US economy suffers so much so that so many people were desperate enough to find it necessary to vote for somebody like Donald Trump for President. 

I find that nauseating.