Xavalon

If the bill of materials is over 1500 dollars, then I don't see that they can come with a way cheaper version soon. I mean one that cost less than 1500 bucks.

Apple has over a billion customers. No way that 50% owns a Mac. 

Recycled paper and cardboard box next time. Missed opportunity. I have seen new packages where the item - a Philips
OneBlade razor - was packed in minimalistic cardboard with just two basic stickers.  If Apple cares about the environment they could do the same. 

lorca2770 said:

Now, if Intel could just get the litho machines, to produce chips, from ASML Holdings on time…For what I know there is a back log of years…

Building those factories takes years too. Intel already ordered EUv lithography machines from ASML years ago. This week they ordered the newest ASML' EUV lithography machines for below 2nm. Yes, this machine won't ship any day soon, but Intel secured the first one. 

doggone said:

entropys said:

I would laugh if they don’t outclass tiger lake laptops, particularly XPS15 with GTX3050s, but really they should aim at shutting down Razer and Asus with GTX3070s.

might be hard to do M2 if the next iPhone chip isn’t released yet.  It is interesting that we haven’t heard any rumours about that SOC yet.

Maybe it won't when comparing in raw specs with a dedicated GPU. But really who cares.  It's just a pissing contest that has no bearing to the typical user. The point is that the M1 processor is already way more advanced than a X86 chip with efficiencies across the board.  Having the next generation of Mac that will take advantages will provide years of usage at performance way above the current Intel Macs and with the knowledge that Apple will continue to refine the OS to improve performance over time.

Apple silicon is already exceeding most of the competition with only their first generation SOC.  They are going to be leaving the others way behind with subsequent generations.  Intel must be panicking.

The competition didn't standstill. AMD Ryzen 5000 mobile series, launched after the M1, has some impressive processors. For example, the Ryzen 5800U is also a 15-watt processor) that is on par with the M1 single-core benchmarks, but faster in multicore benchmarks. And even Intel 11th series combined with a dedicated GPU has more performance than the M1. For the price of a Macbook Pro you find easily a 11th gen Intel with a Nvidia's 3050 or 3060 for the same price. You know that is 4-5 times the current GPU performance of the M1 in GPU TFLOPS. Yes, the M1 is much more power-efficient, but why compare this element to a desktop, NUC, all-in-one or even 15/16/17-inch laptop were nobody expects 17 hours of battery life. The forthcoming NUC 12th generation do come with a dedicated Intel GPU (between 3050 and 3060) with up to 16GB RAM and supports up to 64GB RAM and has three M:2 NVME SSDs slots (2 of them supports up to 7GB speeds; about double as fast as the M1 Macs).  Why is such a mini-PC not a better option than the M1 Mac Mini? All remains to be seen of the M1X can beat such configuration, especially the GPU part. The world is not giving up on AMD or Intel yet. Just saying. Still,  I am the Apple fanboy at home with everything Apple. I wanted to replace our "family" PC - primarily in use by wife & children - with Mac Mini but my wife insisted that we buy a new Windows desktop. For now we keep the current NUC longer and wait for the 12th gen NUC.