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  • The TextBlade keyboard is superb, but you'll have to be patient

    dabigkahuna said:

    ...People just using terms to promote their personal view. 
    My understanding is that it is acknowledged by all parties that objectively, final production units ("General Release") have not yet been sent to anyone. On that basis the only possible reason to claim that "units have shipped to customers" is to attempt to obfuscate.

    Seems to me the only people trying to promote their personal view are WT and, possibly, DBK.
    So you think using terms like “prototype” isn’t misleading?

    btw, at certain times, if the units we had turned out to be satisfactory, those would have been our final units. It is only because of the paint that we know these won’t be. 
    Frankly, I think using any term when responding to you is misleading, because you refuse on principle to have any agreed definitions for any part of the English language. However, that wasn't my point.
    I didn't use the term prototype. My interpretation of that word and yours may or may not differ, in much the same way as our definition of a table may differ. It has no relevance to my post.

    Let me break it down for you:
    1. Everyone, even WT and you, agree that what TREG testers currently possess are not final units. I'm not arguing about WT's intent - I understand that they could have been final units, but you have acknowledged that it has transpired that they are not.
    2. WT uses the phrase "shipped units to customers" to mean that they have shipped pre-general release units to a subset of people who have paid for and ultimately hope to receive final units. This is an accurate use of language, but in a very literal fashion, using the broadest of possible definitions. While it may be literally true that units have been shipped to customers, that description would also apply had WT delivered a box of chocolates to my mother. She is a customer of many companies (but not WT) and a box of chocolates could be described as a "unit". Yes of course I am reducing to the absurd, but it is to try to explain a point. WT have delivered units to customers, but that in its most literal interpretation can mean almost anything. Now to how most interpret it:
    3. When WT say they have "shipped units to customers" many (most?) of the general public would assume that meant that final units have been sent to and received by people who had paid for those specific units, that final product has been, and is continuing to be delivered in a timely fashion to all customers. You may argue (and probably will) that this interpretation is entirely the fault and responsibility of Joe Public, but it remains the current state of affairs - this is the understood definition of the phrase, and no amount of bluster in this forum about how the rest of the world are idiots is likely to change that understood definition.
    4. Given the phrase is open to misinterpretation, it would seem wise for WT to somehow clarify their terminology.
    5. Nevertheless, having had it pointed out to WT on numerous occasions by many individuals that their language is likely to be misinterpreted, they continue to use this phraseology ["units shipped to customers"].
    6. Regardless of the initial motivation for employing this phrase, the fact the phrase continues to be used when the company knows this phrase is liable to misinterpretation suggests that the company is intentionally trying to deceive.
    I'm not suggesting that WT meant to deceive initially (that cannot be determined on the basis of the evidence available). I am however suggesting that the company is currently engaged in practices which do deceive, and which they continue to engage in despite having been given opportunity to alter said practices.
    alexonlinearkorott
  • The TextBlade keyboard is superb, but you'll have to be patient

    dabigkahuna said:

    ...People just using terms to promote their personal view. 
    My understanding is that it is acknowledged by all parties that objectively, final production units ("General Release") have not yet been sent to anyone. On that basis the only possible reason to claim that "units have shipped to customers" is to attempt to obfuscate.

    Seems to me the only people trying to promote their personal view are WT and, possibly, DBK.
    alexonline
  • The TextBlade keyboard is superb, but you'll have to be patient

    Out of interest, I spent about 10 minutes sampling every 10th of DBK's posts as I was curious to see if you extrapolated into the future at what point DBK's posts in this thread would actually exceed the total number of posts in the thread... :wink:

    I'm afraid I discovered that he's currently not really quite exceeding the 45 degree angle, but I thought it was rather fun nonetheless:
    alexonlineweirdosmurfarkorottgmadden
  • The TextBlade keyboard is superb, but you'll have to be patient

    I never thought I’d see the day where even WTS got close to telling DBK to just drop it. 
    alexonline
  • The TextBlade keyboard is superb, but you'll have to be patient

    Where I live (UK) the word “uppity” is rarely if ever used, primarily because its use implies as much about the speaker as it does about the object of its direction. It implies that the speaker considers the other person to be getting “above their station” and that the speaker believes there is therefore an implicit inferiority to their place. This chimes perfectly with the general impression one has that WTS does not wish to engage meaningfully with the customer, because they clearly see themselves, being the creator, as being above all the potential users.

    I wasn’t defending the use of the word at all, it was most unwise: however having looked up its meaning in various dictionaries there was no hint that it was racist, beyond the article TBD had linked. Ultimately its etymology is North American however, and I accept the better knowledge of those here regarding its interpretation. I’m still not convinced it was intended to be racist, but it was definitely intended as an ill-considered put-down.

    [edit] I think it’s also fair to say I disagree with DBK above - there are no legitimate uses for the word in the mouth of a company representative, much least one employed in customer relations.
    ericpeets