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  • PC component manufacturer clones new Mac Pro case

    jdw said:
    The feet of the Mac Pro have to be the ugliest I've ever seen, making this copycat equally as ugly.  The least they could have done was innovated new feet.  But maybe that's an impossible feat.
    yeah, yeah, we get it.
    watto_cobra
  • PC component manufacturer clones new Mac Pro case

    nadriel said:
    AppleZulu said:
    DuhSesame said:
    AppleZulu said:
    bigtds said:
    Soli said:
    So they copied the entire look of the case without copying its utility.  Exhibit A:

    What utility is need that isn't provided for off-the-shelf components?
    The Apple design involved actual engineering. Though the aesthetics of the new Mac Pro are indeed compelling, the case and internals were designed together, putting a lot of computational power inside, and and then enclosing it in a case that's designed specifically for those internals and is rigid and creates the right airflow to keep the computational power from burning itself up.

    Suggesting you can take a look-alike case, fill it with off-the shelf components and get as good or better results than the Mac Pro is nonsensical. You can buy a fiberglass Ferrari lookalike car body and put a VW Beetle under it, or Cadillac parts under it or whatever. Your end result is not going to be a Ferrari. You will have a nifty looking VW bug, or a poorly designed, tricked-out overpowered car that throws a rod or flips over when you try to drive it like it's a Ferrari.
    I don't think chassis itself is that complicated, anyone with some proper CNC knowledge could do it, especially for an open standard.
    I'm betting there are quite a few patented design features (including the blowers inside) in the Mac Pro box that yield significant cooling performance that are not legally available to "anyone with proper CNC knowledge" to just copy.

    Again, you can make a thing that sort of looks like another thing, but when the other thing was created as a result of scads of engineering in its design, "sort of looks like" isn't going to yield the same result. You could stack some giant cylinders so that they look a lot like a Saturn V rocket and then fill it with kerosene, but lighting it up probably won't get you to the moon.

    P.S. If "Dune Case" was as careful in making their Mac Pro case copy as they were in making their Mac Pro webpage copy, it is definitely a crappy "sort of looks like" knockoff. Just go to their site and read the text to find some amateur grammatical errors. 
    It’s a chassis to a expensive computer, not a super car or a rocket. It’s not breakthrough technology nor anything too different from what other case manufacturers do nor what Apple has done before. I don’t understand the reason to get worked up on that some folk don’t find it that impressive. It’s a nice looking case. 
    Right, it's just another aluminum shell with more expensive cuttings, what really matters is how they put everything together.

    longfang said:
    DuhSesame said:
    AppleZulu said:
    bigtds said:
    Soli said:
    So they copied the entire look of the case without copying its utility.  Exhibit A:

    What utility is need that isn't provided for off-the-shelf components?
    The Apple design involved actual engineering. Though the aesthetics of the new Mac Pro are indeed compelling, the case and internals were designed together, putting a lot of computational power inside, and and then enclosing it in a case that's designed specifically for those internals and is rigid and creates the right airflow to keep the computational power from burning itself up.

    Suggesting you can take a look-alike case, fill it with off-the shelf components and get as good or better results than the Mac Pro is nonsensical. You can buy a fiberglass Ferrari lookalike car body and put a VW Beetle under it, or Cadillac parts under it or whatever. Your end result is not going to be a Ferrari. You will have a nifty looking VW bug, or a poorly designed, tricked-out overpowered car that throws a rod or flips over when you try to drive it like it's a Ferrari.
    I don't think chassis itself is that complicated, anyone with some proper CNC knowledge could do it, especially for an open standard.
    So why didn’t anybody with the appropriate skills do so. Why is it always Apple does something and all of a sudden anyone could have done it.
    Everyone else builds their cases based on ATX standard and most likely won't make any motherboards, that's the biggest difference.
    watto_cobra
  • Inside Apple's fantastically fast new Mac Pro

    wozwoz said:
    Rajka said:
    I've nothing against Apple targeting the pro market, even though its current hardware offerings are anything but pro, but I really wanted a prosumer desktop Mac to replace my cheese grater.
    Why wouldn't you buy a 5K iMac or iMac Pro? You're not going to have any prosumer software that won't run significantly better on those machines than a 2012 or earlier cheese grater. I bought the low-end standard 5K iMac and it blows away my old 2009 8-core Xeon Mac Pro. 
    Because they have a built-in monitor. The Mac Mini is too small and not powerful enough. The form factor of the Pro cylinder is perfect for the prosumer market - it just needs updating.
    Most "prosumers" I know don't have more than 32GiB of RAM and probably will never upgrade it.  Having the option is nice but do realize you can't do much in mainstream platforms - All 16 PCIe slots will be used by the graphics card, four more goes to SSD by the PCH.

    Intel is also known for switching sockets between generations, which will make the entire system obsolete.
    StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Inside Apple's fantastically fast new Mac Pro

    tht said:
    Wonder if Apple will make an MPX module with 2 CPU sockets in it. It looks big enough to have 2 CPU sockets, and maybe 4 DIMM slots per socket. It would just run as an independent computer in the MPX slot like a blade. With 2 of those, you could put 150 CPU cores in the box. A desktop cluster for numerical simulation folks. They also should sell 8, 12, 20 TB PCIe SSD cards.
    I'm afraid that will be too huge for the current case.  28-core is more than enough for now and it's just easy to build a processor with more cores (aka Ryzen), most importantly, Xeon Scalable is much more expensive than predecessors, which is a bit unnecessary for a workstation.
    watto_cobra
  • Hong Kong legislator urges Tim Cook to put 'values over profits, pls!'

    JWSC said:
    tzm41 said:
    The Hong Kong legislature is the prime example of putting profits over values. They are almost useless for passing laws and regulations to protect the mass from the oligarchs, who control land supply, housing price, and profit distribution... Like Li Ka-shing basically robbed the dream out of all Hong Kongers, and now he moved away with his money.

    I don’t know about that.  For decades HK has been the gold standard in free market capitalism.  It disproved all those who said you needed lots of factories to have a strong economy.  It disproved all those who said you needed trade tariffs to protect the people from imports.  It disproved all those who said that you needed land and abundant raw material resources to be a global economic leader.  It disproved all those who said that you needed high taxes to keep the people heathy, well fed and educated.

    While it has its faults, as all great cities do, HK has been a shining example of how to do many things right.

    Until recently...

    The real deal is to tell the US government putting more pressure on the CCP, not judge the morality of a corporation.  They can't do anything here.
    bb-15