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I'll post my experience again, originally from the 16~16.5 inch rumor thread.I'll say it's more a love-hate relationship because when it works it's great. Key travel is enough once you adjusted your typing style, which to me better be gentle and quick. Keycaps can be disassembled with ease once you learned how which way easier than what everyone tries to say. Two major flaws are reliability and tolerances, I don't need to mention about the first one, but the latter cause some keys click different than others, which is irritating. Finally, the keyboard can be disassembled from the top case, which means you can take it off and get it completely clean, but that's very time-consuming, to me this is a bit ridiculous.
cgWerks said:marsorry said:No concerns with the internals. I wouldn't give this 4.5 / 5 tho. The design is so dated I'd penalize it 1 full point for that. A machine bought in 2019 looking identical to something bought in 2012? If one looks at it from the front - then you can't tell it apart from an iMac bought from 2007!!! Come on - not cool.DuhSesame said:
Noisy or not depends on what processor you have and the types of application.
generally speaking, the power consumption from the 1st to 9th-gen core i’s: 1 Fine, 2 Good, 3 worse, 4 horrible, 5 Good, 6 Fine, 7 worse, 8 horrible and 9 will be indescribable.
jdw said:fastasleep said:It's a dead horse that's been beaten for going on its third year now. When does it stop? Most "pros" have moved on and are adapting just fine.Whoever clicked "Informative" on your Yawn post must be ready for bed themselves, if they aren't already fast asleep.The only place where many of those "Pros have moved onto" is Windows. I for one will NOT be doing that. Seriously, Apple is taking a shotgun to the Mac faithful by incorporating extremist levels of minimalism into their designs. I've loved Macs since 1984, not because they were the most feature rich machines relative to Windoze, but because they were PRACTICAL TO ME. The late 2016 and newer MBP's are no longer machines that I deem practical, and it doesn't matter one teensy tiny bit to me if a few other people do enjoy the excessive minimalism. Again, I dare Apple to give us a full featured notebook selling along side their existing line. Let's see who's right. My guess is that I am right. For who in their right mind would buy a stripped down machine for $4500 when you can get more features for that amount of money, and your life is better as a result? Apple removed key features for no sensible reason at all. It's a crying shame. I continue to send Apple feedback about it, and encourage like-minded Mac users to do the same. If we pound hard enough and long enough, the company just might wise up, especially if the media joins us.Don't some of you get tired of your fellow Mac users blindly worshipping every decision out of Cupertino as if somehow Steve Jobs is still alive and blessed it? Steve is no longer around and it shows. Steve was pro-minimalism too, but at least he knew where to draw the line. Johnny Ive's line is "so little design there's no design at all." It's like a blank piece of paper, yet without the paper. Sorry, but that's not practical for me, and there's a lot more people out there like me too. Not every Mac user loves what Apple has been doing to the Mac since Steve's departure from this planet. And we let our voices be heard, both in online forums and at Apple's feedback channel.And before a Cupertino Worshipper comes along and bashes me for having the guts to say all this, time and time again, consider well that Apple has 3 different notebook lines! Folks, did you hear that? THREE DIFFERENT LINES! These "I don't need ports, and I don't care about dongles or tactile feedback" people who perpetually defend Apple need only buy a MacBook or MacBook AIR to satisfy their lusting after zero practicality. Why must Apple also gut the MacBook Pro? It makes NO SENSE at all. Apple should keep the Pro model feature rich, bridging the needs of today (which includes USB-A and an SD card slot) with the needs of tomorrow, which includes USB-C/TB3. They have the MacBook and AIR to strip down to their heart's content. Why must they also gut the Pro? Again, it's the dumbest business decision I've ever come across. And don't give me the "well, they needed to be consistent across the line and really push USB-C too, which they couldn't if they included USB-A." All speculation and wild guesses, and I don't even care if these guesses are correct.It's time for Apple to consider THE REST OF US. They aren't now.
All in all, Mac communities today rather panic than seeing the truth.