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  • Epic appealing Apple's 'resounding victory' in App Store trial

    rcfa said:
    The thing with mandating outside in-app payments - it enables devs to deploy a free app but require an IAP to unlock functionality. Thus if using the mall metaphor, as landlord Apple provides the developer retailers with a free mall and customer base, while getting $0 in rent.

    Unless Apple can still require a % of the IAP, regardless of what mechanism is used for the transaction? Still, gets more complicated for users than a single point of purchasing, credit card storage, billing customer service, etc. 
    In effect not much changes: I e.g. have a Netflix subscription since long before the AppStore. I never paid for it through the AppStore, Netflix’ app is free to download, and I can still log into my account and use all paid features without Apple getting a dime.

    Given that this was long an option without Apple making a fuss about it, I don’t expect massive changes. Probably app developers can show a link to a web site where people can sign up for services, rather than relying on people figuring it out on their own. Not exactly a big deal.

    Allowing sideloading would have been overdue. While I agree Apple should be able to decide what App it wants to associate with its brand in a branded AppStore (e.g. no porn), they should not have the right to decide what uses users put their devices to, after they paid squarely and fairly for them. But without sideloading, Apple’s brand decisions become decisions on what users my do with their devices, and THAT needs to stop.
    You make good points, but I don’t think they need to allow which essentially means they condone/support sideloading.  This significantly makes the device less secure.  If you want to do that, jailbreak, or get an Android.  The security is an important feature for many people.  
  • 'Sham' settlement offer not appeasing Coalition for App Fairness

    I wonder what all the members of the Class feel about it?  Who really cares about Epic and the big boys cries.  The majority of fhe Class, and especially the little guys are who I want to hear from 
  • 'Sham' settlement offer not appeasing Coalition for App Fairness

    avon b7 said:
    genovelle said:
    I guess these people miss the point. Apple has total control over their store, because it is THIER Store. Build the store you make the rules. Apple can’t dictate how Walmart runs even though they sell Apple stuff. The store doesn’t make sense if it doesn’t make money and would become a liability and no longer an asset. Apple is tolerating this situation because there are far more appreciative developers than greedy whiners and understand that many depend on Apple to maintain the store. 

    Maybe Apple should develop a second store that is WebApp based does not use their APIs and allows everything they want. No promotion from Apple. no access to Apple’s payment system or other support. Developers would choose which type of account they prefer and that’s that
    These people aren't missing the point. Their point seems to have strong legal legs right now.

    We will have to wait and see which way regulators ultimately swing but if Apple is making concessions in the face of all the complaints, I'd say even Apple itself isn't quite so sure of its case.

    Walmart has no place in any reasonable analogy. For that to be, Walmart would have to be the only store that existed and be able to prevent other stores from existing/ competing. 
    I guess Tizen, Android, and Amazon’s splinter android OS app stores don’t count?  Apple controlling the ap store they built and protecting us from many extra risks of scams and having our credit card info stolen from other servers by having the payments be through apple.  I trust apple with my payment info more than I do any developer, even if it costs a little more.  From what I read, most customers feel the same way.  

    Epic is stirring up a commotion to try to get easily swayed law makers to take this and run with it to show they are Tech savvy and an up and comer.  Taking that bait, proves the exact opposite.  I think Apple is making this settlement more to cut off the politicians from acting like they are fighting the little guy, since this settlement helps them, and falls short of Epic’s desire to be allowed to set up their lemonade store in apples store, and sell some of the same apps apple sells there as well, without paying anything.  Epic also wants to collect 30% from anyone that has a game in their store.  Epic is whittling away on the last leg they are trying to stand on when it comes to their fight.  The facts show that it is all a big scheme by epic to try to not pay fees to be in the ap store, and be allowed to have their own ap store for the iPhone where they would charge others the same amount apple charges them, (but it wouldn’t be wrong if Epic charged the 30%, only if Apple does).  Epic is talking out of both ends.  Lets not forget how they prey on children tempting them to buy loot crates.  I wouldn’t doubt that part of this plan is to also get out from under protections Apple has in place to prevent some of their predatory tactics towards children gamers.  

  • Coalition for App Fairness originally Epic-funded to assist in App Store legal battles

    Now if we could only get networks to talk about this in the news and shut up some of these senators trying to make it look like they are tech savvy and pro consumer and little guy by writing bills to “protect consumers” that actually does the exact opposite 
  • US House introduces companion bill taking aim at Apple, Google app stores

    They seem to have no clue what the majority of the consumers and citizens want.  Windows CE allowed you to get programs from anywhere.  Viruses and malware were everywhere, either designed to target the phone or designed to target the computer you were Dow loading the program to “side load” apps. 
     There already is a way to pay the developers directly.  Just look at Netflix.  I personally trust apple with my payment info more than I trust any of the developers.  Plus, it is only one company, instead of a dozen with your info that hackers may target.