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SpamSandwich said:

poisednoise said:

Apart from the mention of iPads, I'm unclear why this has appeared here, but I'm utterly astonished if this is the case (it seems to exist as news currently only also on flightaware and a few other non-mainstream news sites).

It seems the more we learn about this fiasco the more it would appear that there should be prosecutions brought against people who made these decisions at Boeing, quite possibly charges of manslaughter. I'm currently booked on a return flight on a 737-8 in July, and I really hope by that point the decision's been made that they all need to be scrapped and start again.

There have been no instances of crashes in the US, so all signs point to pilots with a severe lack of training and experience so far.

A specious conclusion. The aircraft experienced a false input into he MCAS which caused an control surface deflection the was not overridable.  Pilots here have submitted reports reports of anomalies with the system that, luckily, weren’t as catastrophic as the other two. 

DAalseth said:

poisednoise said:

Apart from the mention of iPads, I'm unclear why this has appeared here, but I'm utterly astonished if this is the case (it seems to exist as news currently only also on flightaware and a few other non-mainstream news sites).

It seems the more we learn about this fiasco the more it would appear that there should be prosecutions brought against people who made these decisions at Boeing, quite possibly charges of manslaughter. I'm currently booked on a return flight on a 737-8 in July, and I really hope by that point the decision's been made that they all need to be scrapped and start again.

It's the same airframe as before. Scrapping them would be stupid. But there does seem to be a problem with the systems they introduced with this model. Once that's sorted out, as it should have been in testing before certification, the plane will be fine. The question is how long will that take. The other question is, assuming this story to be true, is Boeing going to be open to civil and/or criminal actions. While the latter are possible, the former are nearly a certainty, if suits haven't already been filed.

The flight characteristics are very different which is why Boeing had to add the MCAS. 

I don’t see the concluding for months and Boeing, along with the FAA, are going to pay dearly. 

There are times when training allows for self-schooling (paper/iPad) and times where ground school and/or sim is necessary.  Cost drives decisions and cost very much drove this decision.  Boeing was pressured by SWA to certify the MAX so that sim would be unecessary thereby eliminating those costs and keeping sim time available for other training. Sim time, btw, is a very in-demand resource. 

With pressure from the airlines, Boeing pulled strings at the FAA to certify the MAX so that pilots could do self-schooling and qualify on the differences of the MAX. That schooling was highly deficient in what it covered. 

Its one thing moving a person from a Honda CRX to an Accord - very easy and mostly intuitive. Try moving a person from a CRX to a Tesla with only a few minutes of explanation and you get a better idea of what Boeing did.