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Toroidal said:

gatorguy said:

migselv said:

mike1 said:

flagel said:

it is ludicrous for a car manufacturer to give Apple access to all its car systems, which will invariably lead to Apple becoming the gatekeeper to the entire tech stack of a car. This in addition to the branding impact. CarPlay is not the end of evolution, for example, the music app is well on CarPlay. Audi music controls are much better. 

Who said all? We’re talking about user-facing information systems. Car manufacturers have farmed out components and subsystems from day one. Brakes, batteries, transmissions, gauges, radios, generators, on and on. More to the point, putting Bose, Harmon-Kardon and many other name brand audio systems is a selling point. Why should this be any different?

Branded audio is nowhere near as involved or complicated as a complete handover of the car's entire user interface. Of course, the car companies use subcontractors for many subsystems, but they still retain control over the way they operate, look and feel in their own vehicles. For example, Harman (parent company of Harman Kardon audio) provides the basic electronics infrastructure for many car brands, but the car companies control the integration and UI aspects. 

First off Harman Kardon's parent company is Samsung and the audio systems are highly integrated in the cars infotainment systems and is often designed to look like a part of the overall "experience"

The article states: Car manufacturers Mercedes-Benz, Audi, Volvo, Polestar, and Renault told the Financial Times that they have no interest to include CarPlay Ultra support in their vehicles. The list includes manufacturers that Apple previously indicated were going to use the software. 

Funnily enough those are all Google worshipers in the sense that the all have based their systems om Android Automotive, one could easily suspect that there is a clause in the contract with Goole that states that CarPlay Ultra is not allowed (or they have made it very difficult to implement)

A vehicle cannot use BOTH Android Automotive and CarPlay Ultra at the same time, as both are infotainment OS'es. One or the other. Google wouldn't be paying an OEM using Android Automotive not to use CarPlay Ultra too. I suspect you don't understand what the two systems are. CarPlay will run happily with Android Automotive, Google doesn't restrict it.  

I think you are getting it mixed up. Android Auto is the internal system integrated by the Car OEM. AA systems often play just fine with Car Play, that runs on a phone. OEMs using AA have to build a system that works if the user does not have a phone with them. So even if an OEM offers Car Play Ultra, they also have their default system available. CPU becomes a customer option to use, a choice. The reason not to implement CPU would include plans to monetize the interface or user data, or to 'control the customer U/I experience'. Apple does plenty of the latter itself, but from a user perspective the OEM offering CPU is pure upside for the user - they can use either option. 

anonymouse said:

red oak said:

avon b7 said:

red oak said:

krawall said:

I think it's time for the gloves to come off. honestly... this is a disgrace. How long are you guys across the pond (westwards, to be clear) watching this disaster unfolding?

Yes the US are very important for the whole world's economy, but there's limits to everything. We should stop this appeasing and just call out things what they are. The US government decided that diplomacy is no longer "in", so the rest of the world should not be trying to uphold principles towards the US that are not reciprocated. 

“Time for the gloves to come off”.    LoL.  The EU has no technology.    Zero. Nothing.   That is why it spends all its time with bureaucracy  and trying to fine everyone 

Go ahead and “take your gloves off”  LoL 

Technology isn't everything.

There is an EU document out there from the pandemic period analysing strategic dependencies between the EU and other countries/trading blocs.

The US was dependent on the EU for over 260 products. 

The EU was dependent on the US for 15.

Areas where the EU was ahead included Advanced manufacturing, IoT, security, advanced materials, photonics and active ingredients for the pharmaceutical industry. 

Most of that happens to involve 'technology'. 

“An EU document out there”.   LoL 

The EU is a leader in NONE of those examples you give.   NONE.    You really think the EU leads the US in advanced materials?    What are you smoking.   I’m surprised you did not list Spotify as your leading tech company 

Well, being ahead isn't everything.