IreneW

tmay said:

IreneW said:

AppleZulu said:

Of course, the bottom line remains: Apple leadership has said repeatedly over the years that they're not interested in making a hybrid 2-in-1, so that's the answer.  Nope.

Well, to be fair, they actually made a 2-in-1 when the iPad got a keyboard and cursor. It is just a quite crippled 2-in-1, as it lacks a few basic functions and key applications.
That being said, I agree with the original premise that using a horizontal touch screen, far away behind a keyboard, is really poor UX and bad ergonomics. However, that is not how most people use these devices, they tend to flip between the input modes (just like with an iPad).
One of my laptops at work is a cheap Asus convertible, and i have to say it works perfectly fine both as a tablet for presentations, drawing (and content consumption), and as a developer tool with third party peripherals and extra screens.

Well, to be fair, they actually made a 2-in-1 when the iPad got a keyboard and cursor. It is just a quite crippled 2-in-1, as it lacks a few basic functions and key applications.

Your statement isn't accurate and is in fact, quite disingenuous. 

Apple sells an accessory that gives some of the capability of a 2 in 1, ie, keyboard input, and touchpad cursor, though Apple does not call that a 2 in 1.


For Fuck Sake...

"One of my laptops at work is a cheap Asus convertible, and I have to say it works perfectly fine both as a tablet for presentations, drawing (and content consumption), and as a developer tool with third party peripherals and extra screens."

You just murdered your argument, since you are in fact using multiple devices anyway. Wasn't the 2 in 1 supposed to eliminate those extra devices, and still retain productivity?

Perhaps you want the 2 in 1 only when you require some mobility, or maybe some other limited role for 2 in1's...you know, like the "crippled" iPad with its accessory keyboard that people seem to go everywhere with.

So, if i get you right, a device isn't a 2-in-1 until Apple says so? Well, then it is no problem at all. They can just add the touch screen and adapt the macOS accordingly, calling the product something not including the 2/1 moniker and be done with it. I'm not holding my breath though. I'm fine with what I've got.

And, speaking about what I've got, my day job as a developer and test lead means there are at least three different laptops on my desk (+ a local build server under the desk). Bringing the convertible to conferences and customer meetings means I can work on the trip and still use it as a tablet for presentations and casual browsing (not to mention watching movies in the flight).

Why so angry?

AppleZulu said:

Of course, the bottom line remains: Apple leadership has said repeatedly over the years that they're not interested in making a hybrid 2-in-1, so that's the answer.  Nope.

Well, to be fair, they actually made a 2-in-1 when the iPad got a keyboard and cursor. It is just a quite crippled 2-in-1, as it lacks a few basic functions and key applications.
That being said, I agree with the original premise that using a horizontal touch screen, far away behind a keyboard, is really poor UX and bad ergonomics. However, that is not how most people use these devices, they tend to flip between the input modes (just like with an iPad).
One of my laptops at work is a cheap Asus convertible, and i have to say it works perfectly fine both as a tablet for presentations, drawing (and content consumption), and as a developer tool with third party peripherals and extra screens.

seanj said:

entropys said:

Yes it should. Hardly anyone has USBc projectors. But they all have hdmi.

Who on Earth has projectors in this day and age?.

Like, everyone?

jdw said:

Imagine a world where people hardly ever complain, where people know life is hard and turn the other cheek, where people move beyond obstacles with all their might rather than casting a stone of accusation at others, where people strive to love others unconditionally.

That is not the world in which we live.  But it sure would be nice.

Have a great, complaint-free day, folks!

Did you just complain about the world where we live...?

xp17 said:

The problem is always women with fanatical political leftist views. Every business should get rid of them because they break down and destroy work.

Makes sense.

Because, historically, men with fanatical rightist views have never caused us any trouble.