svanstrom

It's fairly simple: Make the app not work unless the user agrees to be tracked.

That way it's truly an informed choice, and not just something hidden five pages deep in legalese.

If you have a problem with that solution, then you have a problem with the users being aware of your ways of tracking and collecting their data.

(Oh, how I love hearing about these people squirm; basically the only good news I get in 2020.)

Nothing about size and weight, nor anything about using with iPhones/iPads (it is a mobile device after all, and this is an Apple website)?

jungmark said:

My personal info (access to or actual) is not for sale. You don’t have a right to see it without my consent. 

It is for sale (by you), and you gave your consent every time you (probably without reading it first) agreed to a website's conditions as you signed up (or accepted cookies).

Also there's a lot of information about you that a lot of other people have that they have the legal right to cluelessly sell in a similar way; for instance by uploading their address books, or by connecting different accounts/services (and that way sharing friendlists etc).

Also there are a lot of businesses selling your data in an anonymised, but often easy to de-anonymise, format; for instance membership and loyalty programs, as well as banks.

So, yes, your personal information is very much for sale, and you have agreed to that by using about a gazillion different services without understanding the consequences of agreeing to their terms and conditions.

chadbag said:

But Facebook and Instagram would never terminate a business's or Individual's  accounts without warning and without good explanation?  Destroying that business or organization?  Causing that individual to lose all their contacts (on messenger), contact  points for others, etc?

Nah. They would never do that. 

Of wait.  Happens probably daily.  Most recent is the Facebook page for "Tactical Sh!t".  All their related sites and anyone who is affiliated with them also lost  their personal Facebook account.  And it seems this is permanent.  The reason  given is totally bogus and made up and without warning.  (It appears to be politically related).  

Oh that poor armed militia wanting to play military and fight those protesting the police disproportionate killing black people.

That's not some lil business being hurt by a big evil corporation, that's the government not looking kindly on people arming themselves and advocating violence towards the public; it's ducking selfdefence that Facebook shut them down before the government came and wanted to more control of what the heck's going on on Facebook.

rotateleftbyte said:

It would be an interesting precident. If TikTok were to cease operating in the USA, perhaps the EU might like to [cough][cough] suggest that Facebook etc stop operating in Europe because of security concerns. After all we all know that these companies are only in business to spy on us which they use to sling [redacted] adverts at us.

The more accurate comparison would be if China shutdown Facebooks operations in China. But, of course, China never even let that happen to begin with.

The non-China parts of the world are just slowly waking up to what the fudge they've let China get away with; all based on some many decades old concept that China would open up and become more democratic if only the west did more business within China. But that didn't work, and now it's time to prevent the CCP from trying to control the whole damn world.

As far as Facebook and EU etc… that's already happening, but slowly. Once again it takes time for the world to wake up and realise what's going on; what they've let businesses get away with (as far as collecting information about people), and how security agencies etc are piggybacking on that.