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Naiyas said:

The current Eve Degree already monitors temperature, humidity, and air pressure and saves these measurements 144 times per day and can be placed outside. I have several located around my property (outside and inside) for monitoring. Thread would be a nice addition, though as an end-point device it is of fairly limited benefit today, but good for future proofing.

A few improvements I would like to see are:

1. Rechargeable battery (similar to the Eve Room 2) so we can eliminate the use of single use button batteries;
2. Like 1 above, provide the option to have it permanently powered so that full thread support could be enabled (when powered); and
3. A way to automatically export the measurements from the Eve devices - I collate a whole heap of information and history for measuring my home energy use and environment - now the Eve Home App is on M1 Mac's this should be a fairly simple enhancement to add into the App.

Sensor wise, the items I would like to have (but not necessarily in this one device) are:

1. Air pollution level sensor, similar to the Air Quality on the Eve Room, but for use outside;
2. Pollen level sensor; and
3. Noise / dB sensor.

Netatmo has a good suite of weather monitoring devices but very few are integrated into HomeKit and the ability to export is restricted too.

So the Eve Weather looks like it will still batteries. My understanding is that it needs to have a sealed battery compartment for water resistance versus a plug like the Eve Room 2. 
You also can already export your Eve data. For any of the Eve devices you already have you can export them to a spreadsheet for further analysis whenever you’d like from the Eve app.

I agree some of those would be useful on a new device but I dont think we will see them this time around. I haven’t seen a pollen level sensor and that certainly isnt available in HomeKit. As a HomeKit-only company, Apple would have to add pollen before Eve would. The decibel sensor is certainly plausible but I see limited usage on an outside device. That does work with HomeKit though so would be plausible later, especially on an indoor device.

As far as air quality, I agree I’d like to see that too so you are getting your own local air quality instead of relying on the official AQI. I think it is less likely as well though for a device meant to be outdoors as that AQI is so often used for larger areas.

magnuskrantz said:

I liked the Shortcut guide, please keep doing those.
I count myself as a somewhat advanced iPhone user, I’ve been using iPhone since the first one released in Sweden, the 3G, put I still haven’t started using shortcuts. Hopefully I can find some use for it with HomeKit.
Keep up the good work!
♾⭐️

It is such a broad topic that there is virtually no end of what we can cover with Shortcuts! We will keep devoting time to it! Let us know what else you’d like us to discuss!

Eric_WVGG said:

dk49 said:

I would have preferred blood pressure monitoring over glucose monitoring..

Everyone focuses on the diabetes thing (for good reason), but ultimately diabetes would be maybe the least consequential benefit of glucose monitoring. 

If you can monitor glucose, you have insight into a tremendous amount of data regarding calories and metabolism. Imagine if your Watch not only knew how many calories were in every single potato chip you consumed, but also how your body metabolized it. Weight, hormones, stress, brain activity, obesity co-morbidities… this is the holy grail of physiology tracking. It would revolutionize healthcare and fitness for everyone. 

Which is why I’m skeptical of the whole thing. Heartbeat, ECG tracking, and blood oxygen measuring via camera were all proven technologies that had been around for years — Apple just miniaturized them and put them in a popular consumer product. Non-invasive glucose monitoring is still very experimental and cutting-edge. I just don't see a company like Apple inventing this out of nowhere. I hope I'm wrong, though.

You’re right to be skeptical. People are seeing this and anticipating hyper-accurate BG readings from the optical sensor on their wrist. Not happening. But if they can be within 20 points or so to detect elevated levels and trends, it is a first step and good for identifying pre-diabetics and general information on metabolism and how your BG changes throughout the day. 

dk49 said:

I would have preferred blood pressure monitoring over glucose monitoring..

They are likely working on something there as well but it may not be possible with just an optical sensor like BG monitor is. In the US, there are 88 million that are pre-diabetic and 35 million are diabetic. That is a staggering number of people and higher than the number of people who have high blood pressure which is around 108 million. Both of these are problem areas that need additional research but Apple can only do so much and only fit so much into the watch. If they are able to use an existing sensor and offer a feature that would have potential benefits for up to 123 million people, probably a good choice to make.

GeorgeBMac said:

Type 2 Diabetes is becoming an epidemic in western countries living the Standard Western Lifesyle -- eating junky food and sitting around.

But Pre-Diabetes already is in epidemic numbers:   that's where the person has elevated sugar levels but not to the point of being diagnosed as a full diabetic. 

That is, diabetes is not a switch where you either have it or you don't.   It's a continuum with an arbitrary line drawn saying "at this blood sugar level you have diabetes".

So, this feature on an Apple Watch could benefit far more people than just diabetics.   From the CDC:
--  30 million Americans have diabetes

--  70 million Americans have pre-diabetes

It's not just that pre-diabetes might (probably?) turn into diabetes but that pre-diabetes harms the body's systems and organs just as diabetes does -- it just does less harm rather than no harm.   And, we know that the harm from these things is cumulative -- it's the constant attack on the body's systems year after year, decade after decade that finally gives way to "Age Related Diseases".

So, a person should not wait to take action when they are diagnosed with diabetes but when they develop pre-diabetes -- because both conditions are primarily caused by unhealthy lifestyles and can be prevented, controlled and often reversed with healthy lifestyles.

This right here ^
This is very accurate. Apple will most likely use this to monitor your BG over time and give you insights that your BG is outside the norm without giving actual BG numbers that are usable by diabetics.