gatorguy said:

badmonk said:

maybe we can shine the GG searchlight on a building from Alphabet HQ and have GatorGuy explain it to us :-)

It's cute that you want to keep inviting me to comment on issues you have no intention of actually discussing anyway, but here ya' go, prove me wrong. What do you actually think about toggle settings that may not mean what a typical user would think they mean? Misleading, or worse intentionally deceptive? This is from a couple days back, and no one seems willing to discuss it. You can be the first.

 https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/comment/3084089/#Comment_3084089
"You assume someone would want to turn off location services only to prevent ad targeting based in part on location data. Some here have a "fear of authorities", or "fear of an ex" or "fear they'll be found someplace they shouldn't be", rational or not, and simply want to avoid ALL location logging. In general Apple doesn't make that any easier than Google does it?

Yes. "what they do" with data does matter. Google uses location to deliver more relevant ads (for that matter so does Apple on a lesser scale but that's not what we're discussing). In general Apple does so to "improve their services". 

The fact that a user toggling an iOS "Location Services" master switch to "OFF" with the expectation that off means off also matters doesn't it? That you and others in the discussion wouldn't want to acknowledge that is understandable, tho plainly disingenuous. I'm honest enough to come out and plainly state that IMO it's misleading if not outright deceptive in Google's case to do so. Are you honest enough to admit IF Apple's "Location Services" master "OFF" setting doesn't mean location tracking is completely off for everything it might also be "misleading if not outright deceptive"? 

If the headline instead read:

Apple tracks users even when 'Location Services' is disabled

would it still be accurate?"

And if you're not aware of what I'm referring to when talking about misleading user settings see this post:
https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/comment/3084058/#Comment_3084058

If you and others are truly desiring a discussion about the problem itself rather than a relatively thoughtless bash opportunity then have it. I'll even chime in. Otherwise it serves no benefit for me to keep saying "yeah Google was wrong" if no one is honestly interested in the why's, or simply willing to be honest period.  Some of our most vociferous members can be so disingenuous at times and make it frustratingly difficult to have an honest thread.