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Here's an initial performance per watt comparison using the Ryzen Z1 Extreme (equivalent to the 7840u, but targeted to handhelds) in the ASUS ROG Ally Z1 Extreme.



ASUS ROG Ally Z1 Extreme Specifications:

AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme
16 GB LPDDR5-6400 (Dual-Channel)
512 GB NVMe PCIe 4.0

Devices:

ASUS ROG Ally Z1 Extreme (Z1 Extreme)
Apple MacBook Pro 13 2022 (M2)

Power consumption comparison using Cinebench R15 / Multi 64Bit (looped):

Z1 Extreme: 2397 @ 53 Watts [Turbo Mode (plugged in) setting] = 45 Points / Watt
Z1 Extreme: 2153 @ 35 Watts [Turbo Mode (battery) setting] = 61 Points / Watt
Z1 Extreme: 1727 @ 25 Watts [Performance Mode setting] = 69 Points / Watt
Z1 Extreme: 1180 @ 17 Watts [Quiet Mode setting] = 69 Points / Watt
M2: 1229 @ 19 Watts = 64 Points / Watt

Source: Notebookcheck

EDIT: Fixed link

EDIT 2: Important detail...

I should add, the TDP values I used in those numbers are based on this:

Power Mode	Quiet	Performance	Turbo/with PSU	Manual/with PSU
SoC SPL (= PL1)	9 Watts	15 Watts	25 / 30 Watts	15 / 30 Watts
SoC sPPT (= PL2)	14 Watts	20 Watts	30 / 43 Watts	20 / 43 Watts
SoC fPPT (= PL4)	17 Watts	25 Watts	35 / 53 Watts	25 / 53 Watts

fPPT being the peak for that setting (very short bursts), so the actual sustained Watts would be lower than the numbers I used in my calculations for each power setting's score. Meaning, the real Points / Watt should be even higher.

discountopinion said:

Summary for me is that Apple clearly maintains the silicon design crown with a huge margin. Outperforming snapdragon which has double the performance cores is incredible.

What? The Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 has only one high performance "Prime" core, which is still smaller than one of Apple's high performance cores.

• 1x Cortex X3
• 2x Cortex A715
• 2x Cortex A710
• 3x Cortex A510

I'd also note, the processor in the S23 isn't a standard "Snapdragon 8 Gen 2", it's a higher binned chip, the "Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 for Galaxy" which also has higher clock speeds.

Snapdragon 8 Gen 2:

• CPU @ 3.2 GHz
• GPU @ 680 MHz

Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 for Galaxy:

• CPU @ 3.35 GHz
• GPU @ 720 MHz

Qualcomm is still using stock ARM cores, their NUVIA cores have yet to make their debut.

In terms of GPU, the non-Galaxy Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 is already ahead of the A16, so not much needs to be said there:

Just so everyone is aware, if NUVIA's performance claims are true (keep in mind the big "if"), then Qualcomm will be ahead of the M1 and more likely in a position to compete with an M2 series chip:



Given the reputation of the engineers behind NUVIA and the fact that Qualcomm paid a relatively significant sum for them to fill this exact need, it does give their claim some merit. So don't be surprised if it does end up competing with Apple's late 2022 / early 2023 offerings.

Once again though, we still have yet to see an actual product, so take this with a grain of salt until we do.

Intel has had so many delays and setbacks, it's just hard to trust these types of claim. It's obvious that they have a lot of talent and capabilities, but their business operation has had them drag their feet until it was far too late. Foundry issues have also been a big part of their undoing. It's amazing how far behind they were on getting their 10 nm out the door. They've been known to have a few aces up their sleeve in the past, but it's just not so clear that will be the case this time around.

canukstorm said:

lkrupp said:

Anyone notice how the Intel apologists have come out of the woodwork in these forums? The M1 Max must really have their full attention these days.

Bold words by you considering you wear the crown for being the King (or Queen) of Apple apologists even when it isn't warranted.  And I don't mean that in a positive way.

Ikrupp's posts are nothing short of cancerous with nothing of value to add to any discussion. The only aim of his posts are to promote hatred and divide among readers and members here.

Absolute poison.

AppleInsider said:

Specifications

	16-inch MacBook Pro (2021)	Dell XPS 17 (2021)

Just a note, the model listed in this article is the original 2020 model (10th gen + RTX 2060).

The later reference to the fully spec'd version is the actual 2021 XPS 17 (11th gen + RTX 3060).