Sanctum1972

mdriftmeyer said:

The update to Pages.app guarantees I have zero need for Vellum.

Pages is perfectly fine if you're using it for basic word processing, notes and charts. But if you're working on a book, magazine, newspaper, business card, or working in a DTP or in-house design production gig, or as a graphic designer, then Adobe InDesign or Quark is the way to go for high level professional work. I've used InDesign CS5 ( still works on High Sierra ) for many years now and swear by it when working on graphic design projects or needing to convert fonts as vector shapes instead of bitmap ( extremely important if you're doing design for t-shirts, posters and such on 300 dpi or higher ). In my old job at the print shop, InDesign was used for a lot of production work setting up the prints and doing many custom work on business cards or stationery. Because InDesign was the go-to tool for the shop, it enabled us to use automated actions such as importing multiple PDFs all at once into one file with more than 100 pages. I would never use Pages for this kind of thing.

If you're self-publishing an e-book as an author, InDesign, Quark and Publisher will do the trick. Vellum as well, although I prefer the granular control of InDesign. I was in art school in the 1990s, Quark was confusing to use at the time, in my case. It was not until I figured out my way around Illustrator and Photoshop on my own, InDesign was coming around the corner which got my attention. 

Affinity Publisher is a strong alternative which I've been seeing when it was in beta. That is likely to be my next app when I upgrade to a new desktop to replace the old mid 2010 iMac. Maybe late 2019 or early 2020. Who knows? Affinity Publisher feels closer to InDesign in user interface and function when I tried out the beta version. I think it's going to take about 2-3 years for Affinity to have a stronger presence over Adobe in the print and design industry if they continue to improve their apps and stay away from the subscription model. I have the iPad Pro version of Designer and like it but not Photo yet ( I've heard that it's got some issues compared to the desktop version ). But for image manipulation, I'm sticking with the old Photoshop as my trusted tool on the desktop for the time being. 

matrix077 said:

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elijahg said:

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rogifan_new said:

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foregoneconclusion said:

I find it hard to believe that Cook not visiting the design studio as often as Jobs would be "dispiriting" to Ive. It seems more likely that Ive just missed having Jobs provide his own specific input. It's not like Ive isn't smart enough to understand that Cook isn't going to be a clone of Jobs and may not believe he has as much to offer when it comes to providing critiques of the designs. That's not actually a standard skill for business executives.

Exactly. If Cook, who’s not design-savvy, visiting the studio as often as Jobs it will be more harmful than beneficial, or at best just pointless. We operate best when we operate on what we know best. 

And Ive wouldn’t listen to Cook’s input on design anyway so what’s the point?

Maybe it’s less about specific input but if Cook rarely showed up it gave the impression he didn’t really care.

I don’t think it is. I think Ive knows very well who Cook is and if Cook coming to the studio as often as Jobs it will be pretentious. Everything I heard pointing that Ive always have Cook’s ear so there no need for Cook to pretend to be Jobs. Just media sensationalism coming from the usual suspect like WSJ more likely. 

Sure who knows how accurate this story really is. I didn’t get the impression from the story that Ive was expecting Cook to be just like Steve. But there’s a difference between hardly ever stepping foot in the design studio and being there every day. If he never comes around I can see where one would think he doesn’t care.

I think the problem more likely comes from some of his works goes nowhere, like Apple Car than Cook physically has to be in the studio. Ive is a veteran designer. I trust him to know how things work. If he’s just dispirited because CEO who isn’t good at design doesn’t come to his room even when that CEO always have time for him and his idea, then he has some strange problem himself. 

You think it's okay for the CEO to rarely visit one of the top executives? That'd dispirit anyone who was in that position. It'd make them feel like they aren't worth the time of the CEO. I have no idea what else Cook does though, since he doesn't seem to be involved in the products anymore. Probably trying to find ways to increase services revenue more.

Why? Cook even value Ive contributions more than Jobs did, by paying him much more. The article even, cynically, provide information on that. So why does Cook has to pretend to be a design guru to show he cares when he already did?

Paying Ive more money does NOT solve the problem. It means Cook was the wrong guy or didn't have the creative background to keep Ive in check. Valuing Ive means visiting his department and talking to him about the products entirely and where the design is going. It's not about being a design guru but rather having a sensible taste in good and practical design and KNOWING when Ive crosses the line regarding possible engineering issues. Job wasn't a designer but had a creative background in liberal arts. He was OCD in detail and if he noticed a little tiny problem, he'll pick it apart. Cook doesn't have that IT factor. That's his blind spot. 

Jobs, when alive, made Jony work his ass off until he got to the design he liked. It's about intuitive design. Cook? I don't see that coming from him. If Jony wanted to go crazy with his design, Jobs would reel him to keep the product design practical. Not everything was perfect but during that era, the products were damn well built. I have a mid 2010 iMac and is still going strong. I even own a Titanium G4 PowerBook stored away and is built like a tank ( still works to this day except for the browned out Airport card ). I still have a G4 mirror drive tower Power Mac stored away too. One of the most practical Macs I've owned and it still works, thanks to Jobs. 

Stop talking about what you don’t have a clue. Clearly you haven’t worked in design because if you have you’ll know the bolded part is BS. Design process doesn’t work like that. 
The article present a nice story, a nice angle that get you attention when you first read it but doesn’t hold when you’re really thinking about it, something that you clearly failed to do. 

I know what I'm talking about. I studied in art school years ago in the graphic design/illustration department and have interacted with Industrial Design students. I've freelanced for almost 20 years now. I understand how the process works. It's clear you're ignoring Jobs' creative background and not acknowledging the fact that Cook is the one of the people who doesn't have that creative touch. He's a "bean counter" who pretends to have taste in good practical design but doesn't. This is a man who does NOT have the ability to provide good feedback to Ive. 

Ask yourself this. WHY did he hand the responsibility to the COO Jeff Williams right now to oversee the departments? 

Ha Ha. Unfortunately for you, I’m also graduate in graphic design, and is a much better designer than you judging from your posts.

As for your question the answer is very easy, very simple someone followed Apple a few years would be able to answer it. Why now? Because of Ive departure. Duh..

Well judging from your posts, your grammar and English needs a lot of work as you wouldn't get a job with that kind of attitude. You sound either foreign outside of America or Deaf considering the grammar being used ( I say this from experience ). I couldn't care less if you're a much better designer or which school you graduated from. Good designers don't talk like that. 

And your response is a sign that you're avoiding the question. Google on Ive's departure and Jeff William's new responsibilities. It's not because of Ive's departure which there's a lot more to it than meets the eye. You need to learn to read between the lines as it is unusual for COO Jeff Williams to take on the responsibilities to oversee the departments. This has never happened before in Apple, I don't believe. Something is up with Cook and I think he is the next one to leave Apple and Williams to be the new CEO. When that happens, it remains to be seen but it could be at the end of the year or very early 2020 right when the election year comes around for the United States. 

rogifan_new said:

Sanctum1972 said:

matrix077 said:

elijahg said:

matrix077 said:

rogifan_new said:

matrix077 said:

rogifan_new said:

matrix077 said:

foregoneconclusion said:

I find it hard to believe that Cook not visiting the design studio as often as Jobs would be "dispiriting" to Ive. It seems more likely that Ive just missed having Jobs provide his own specific input. It's not like Ive isn't smart enough to understand that Cook isn't going to be a clone of Jobs and may not believe he has as much to offer when it comes to providing critiques of the designs. That's not actually a standard skill for business executives.

Exactly. If Cook, who’s not design-savvy, visiting the studio as often as Jobs it will be more harmful than beneficial, or at best just pointless. We operate best when we operate on what we know best. 

And Ive wouldn’t listen to Cook’s input on design anyway so what’s the point?

Maybe it’s less about specific input but if Cook rarely showed up it gave the impression he didn’t really care.

I don’t think it is. I think Ive knows very well who Cook is and if Cook coming to the studio as often as Jobs it will be pretentious. Everything I heard pointing that Ive always have Cook’s ear so there no need for Cook to pretend to be Jobs. Just media sensationalism coming from the usual suspect like WSJ more likely. 

Sure who knows how accurate this story really is. I didn’t get the impression from the story that Ive was expecting Cook to be just like Steve. But there’s a difference between hardly ever stepping foot in the design studio and being there every day. If he never comes around I can see where one would think he doesn’t care.

I think the problem more likely comes from some of his works goes nowhere, like Apple Car than Cook physically has to be in the studio. Ive is a veteran designer. I trust him to know how things work. If he’s just dispirited because CEO who isn’t good at design doesn’t come to his room even when that CEO always have time for him and his idea, then he has some strange problem himself. 

You think it's okay for the CEO to rarely visit one of the top executives? That'd dispirit anyone who was in that position. It'd make them feel like they aren't worth the time of the CEO. I have no idea what else Cook does though, since he doesn't seem to be involved in the products anymore. Probably trying to find ways to increase services revenue more.

Why? Cook even value Ive contributions more than Jobs did, by paying him much more. The article even, cynically, provide information on that. So why does Cook has to pretend to be a design guru to show he cares when he already did?

Paying Ive more money does NOT solve the problem. It means Cook was the wrong guy or didn't have the creative background to keep Ive in check. Valuing Ive means visiting his department and talking to him about the products entirely and where the design is going. It's not about being a design guru but rather having a sensible taste in good and practical design and KNOWING when Ive crosses the line regarding possible engineering issues. Job wasn't a designer but had a creative background in liberal arts. He was OCD in detail and if he noticed a little tiny problem, he'll pick it apart. Cook doesn't have that IT factor. That's his blind spot. 

Jobs, when alive, made Jony work his ass off until he got to the design he liked. It's about intuitive design. Cook? I don't see that coming from him. If Jony wanted to go crazy with his design, Jobs would reel him to keep the product design practical. Not everything was perfect but during that era, the products were damn well built. I have a mid 2010 iMac and is still going strong. I even own a Titanium G4 PowerBook stored away and is built like a tank ( still works to this day except for the browned out Airport card ). I still have a G4 mirror drive tower Power Mac stored away too. One of the most practical Macs I've owned and it still works, thanks to Jobs. 

This is pure conjecture. I’m sure it’s what some people want to believe, especially people who have this vision of Jobs as some kind of god who could do no wrong. But it’s not backed up by facts. There are plenty of things people complained about when Steve Jobs was still in charge. But now the revisionist history is anything someone doesn’t like about Apple is something Steve Jobs wouldn’t have allowed to happen. BS.

I never said he was a god even though he was temperate and difficult to work with. But he did have a strong grasp in what he wanted out of the products and was surrounded by a strong staff of executives. Cook is not Jobs, obviously and vice versa. What happened between Cook and Ive is not 100% known but it's obvious one or both of them are the problem. All we can get from the WSJ and then on is what's been reported. I don't think Rene Ritchie has a balanced view on things from what I've seen on his youtube clips. Whatever he heard from depends on the source he's getting it from in contrast to the WSJ. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes on to the defense of Cook on his future YouTube clips. 
 

Metriacanthosaurus said:

"Ive was dissatisfied with how Apple has concentrated more on operations than on design since Tim Cook took over from the late Steve Jobs"

I mean...this could not have been more clear or more obvious to everyone on the outside looking in. No one wants to admit or acknowledge it...but the exact worst thing that could have happened (Apple losing its "DNA", the spirit that Steve Jobs infused) is exactly what happened in short order from Tim taking over. Operations above all else. It really is that simple. Apple continues to pretend outwardly that this has not happened, because their legacy depends on it...but it is of course exactly, and quite simply, what happened.

Thank you! That's a major point right there that people cannot seem to grasp. 

matrix077 said:

Sanctum1972 said:

matrix077 said:

elijahg said:

matrix077 said:

rogifan_new said:

matrix077 said:

rogifan_new said:

matrix077 said:

foregoneconclusion said:

I find it hard to believe that Cook not visiting the design studio as often as Jobs would be "dispiriting" to Ive. It seems more likely that Ive just missed having Jobs provide his own specific input. It's not like Ive isn't smart enough to understand that Cook isn't going to be a clone of Jobs and may not believe he has as much to offer when it comes to providing critiques of the designs. That's not actually a standard skill for business executives.

Exactly. If Cook, who’s not design-savvy, visiting the studio as often as Jobs it will be more harmful than beneficial, or at best just pointless. We operate best when we operate on what we know best. 

And Ive wouldn’t listen to Cook’s input on design anyway so what’s the point?

Maybe it’s less about specific input but if Cook rarely showed up it gave the impression he didn’t really care.

I don’t think it is. I think Ive knows very well who Cook is and if Cook coming to the studio as often as Jobs it will be pretentious. Everything I heard pointing that Ive always have Cook’s ear so there no need for Cook to pretend to be Jobs. Just media sensationalism coming from the usual suspect like WSJ more likely. 

Sure who knows how accurate this story really is. I didn’t get the impression from the story that Ive was expecting Cook to be just like Steve. But there’s a difference between hardly ever stepping foot in the design studio and being there every day. If he never comes around I can see where one would think he doesn’t care.

I think the problem more likely comes from some of his works goes nowhere, like Apple Car than Cook physically has to be in the studio. Ive is a veteran designer. I trust him to know how things work. If he’s just dispirited because CEO who isn’t good at design doesn’t come to his room even when that CEO always have time for him and his idea, then he has some strange problem himself. 

You think it's okay for the CEO to rarely visit one of the top executives? That'd dispirit anyone who was in that position. It'd make them feel like they aren't worth the time of the CEO. I have no idea what else Cook does though, since he doesn't seem to be involved in the products anymore. Probably trying to find ways to increase services revenue more.

Why? Cook even value Ive contributions more than Jobs did, by paying him much more. The article even, cynically, provide information on that. So why does Cook has to pretend to be a design guru to show he cares when he already did?

Paying Ive more money does NOT solve the problem. It means Cook was the wrong guy or didn't have the creative background to keep Ive in check. Valuing Ive means visiting his department and talking to him about the products entirely and where the design is going. It's not about being a design guru but rather having a sensible taste in good and practical design and KNOWING when Ive crosses the line regarding possible engineering issues. Job wasn't a designer but had a creative background in liberal arts. He was OCD in detail and if he noticed a little tiny problem, he'll pick it apart. Cook doesn't have that IT factor. That's his blind spot. 

Jobs, when alive, made Jony work his ass off until he got to the design he liked. It's about intuitive design. Cook? I don't see that coming from him. If Jony wanted to go crazy with his design, Jobs would reel him to keep the product design practical. Not everything was perfect but during that era, the products were damn well built. I have a mid 2010 iMac and is still going strong. I even own a Titanium G4 PowerBook stored away and is built like a tank ( still works to this day except for the browned out Airport card ). I still have a G4 mirror drive tower Power Mac stored away too. One of the most practical Macs I've owned and it still works, thanks to Jobs. 

Stop talking about what you don’t have a clue. Clearly you haven’t worked in design because if you have you’ll know the bolded part is BS. Design process doesn’t work like that. 
The article present a nice story, a nice angle that get you attention when you first read it but doesn’t hold when you’re really thinking about it, something that you clearly failed to do. 

I know what I'm talking about. I studied in art school years ago in the graphic design/illustration department and have interacted with Industrial Design students. I've freelanced for almost 20 years now. I understand how the process works. It's clear you're ignoring Jobs' creative background and not acknowledging the fact that Cook is the one of the people who doesn't have that creative touch. He's a "bean counter" who pretends to have taste in good practical design but doesn't. This is a man who does NOT have the ability to provide good feedback to Ive. 

Ask yourself this. WHY did he hand the responsibility to the COO Jeff Williams right now to oversee the departments?