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  • How Apple could approach a folding iPhone

    avon b7 said:
    Bart Y said:
    Your link returns just 823 results which cover the entire gamut of issues from Samsung Pay through to battery life. 

    It is your standard support issue listing that could apply to any phone from any manufacturer. 

    Like I said, nothing indicates any model is plagued by issues. 
    Well, for a €1500+ device, reliability should be first rate and if you search through for Fold Screen or Fold Display, and similarly for Flip, many many people with documented issues, some even your own countrymen.  Lots of additional posts in various other EU languages so there may be many more than a simple English search pulls up.  IMO, there are problems but the public hasn’t made the press aware…yet.  If frustration and dissatisfaction builds high enough, this may turn into a big problem, not only from an engineering standpoint, but a customer care and retention perspective.  

    Samsung isn’t above having another Note 7 or  initial Fold failure again.  IMO.
    watto_cobratmay
  • How Apple could approach a folding iPhone

    Marvin said:
    red oak said:
    There is almost zero evidence any of these foldable phones (including the ones from Samsung) sell in any measurable volume
    According to Samsung, the volume of foldable phones was 10 million in 2021:

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/20/23272029/samsung-tm-roh-foldable-phones-mainstream

    The following says the Galaxy Z Flip made up 4.6 million:

    https://www.phonearena.com/news/galaxy-z-flip-3-5g-most-shipped-foldable-2021_id139154

    The Z Fold and Huawei P50 were the next best sellers. Likely somewhere around 2 million each.

    Most of the foldables are for the compact phone like the old Razr phones and not like the foldable tablets. There are probably some of the over 100 million people who bought the old style flip phones and liked the form factor.

    This is a lower sales volume than the iPhone mini. If Apple wanted to cater to the audience for compact phones, they could just keep making the iPhone mini series.

    Bending any glass means making it weaker and it will crease.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1j8J1FDJOw
    The Verge article states two research firms believe the total market sales to be much lower, 7.1-7.9M units.  IMO, Samsung’s TM Roh is saving face or trying to inflate the numbers because Samsung has a dominant position in Foldables for now, and of course, starting from a small number, it’s easy to get huge % increases to bigger but still relatively small numbers.  For now, Foldables have “maybe” equaled the old Note line and “maybe” the S22 Ultra+ has also equaled the old Note lines of about 5-6M annual sales from 2019 prepandemic, total of 11-14M would be ecstatic for Samsung, but I’m not sure there’s evidence for that yet.  Today’s Unpacked announcement will try to frame the Foldables market size I’m sure.
    watto_cobra
  • How Apple could approach a folding iPhone

    red oak said:
    There is almost zero evidence any of these foldable phones (including the ones from Samsung) sell in any measurable volume

    Anyone who thinks Apple is now “ too far behind” is someone you need to avoid on all things Apple 🍎 
    Roughly, the “measurable” Foldables volume is about 7-9M units total market in 2021, with Samsung maybe 85% of that total.  So about 6M-7.65M for Samsung.  Given we know Flip 3 sells 70% to Fold 3 30%, extrapolates to 4.2M-5.3M Flip models and 1.8M-2.3M Fold models over the Samsung sales season.  If my post above about reliability and customer service  issues reported by Samsung users in their own community discussion boards is true, there’s problems still which eventually will catch up with Samsung.

    Anyway, 6-9M is a terribly low number of market units to commit R&D, parts sourcing (especially fragile, low reliability and availability Samsung units), and production for Apple IF it’s to meet Apple’s standards for reliability, longevity, quality, and functionality.  Better to wait till Apple and suppliers perfect this further and even then whether it still makes any sense financially or reputation wise.  

    Last quarter Samsung touted how its Mobile division made YOY 13% more revenue on >sales of S22 Ultra and Foldables ($22.4B USD total) YET glossed over how it made ONLY $2.00B total operating profit, a drop of 19% YOY.  Foldables and S22 flagships should be the most profitable lines so either they aren’t selling well or Samsung is blustering to save face.  And I’d say <10M units is ok but not selling well enough, and certainly not enough for Apple to get into this market.
    wonkothesanewatto_cobra
  • How Apple could approach a folding iPhone

    avon b7 said:
    Many of the first foldable devices were plagued by reliability issues"

    I'm unaware of any foldable phone being plagued with reliability issues. Quite the opposite is true.

    AFAIK, all folding phones that have come to market have had great reliability so far. 

    For the Samsung Fold, many review units were damaged by reviewers trying to remove a screen coating that should not have been removed.

    Once that was corrected, along with some further design enhancements, the units that were released performed well.


    Uh, here’s a link to (or search for) the EU Samsung Community pages, search it for Samsung Fold.  You’ll find many many issues with the display screen, delamination of the built in screen protector, cracking of the display in cold weather, etc., not just the Fold 3 but also Flip 3.  Plus huge customer support issues trying to get warranty repairs and then having Samsung, their repair agent, or carrier blame the user for damage or abuse and charging them huge €€€ for repairs.

    I’m guessing probably the same on US Samsung Community.  I’ll link in next post.
    wonkothesanewatto_cobra
  • Apple to support winter storm relief efforts in Texas, other US states

    tyler82 said:
    mac_dog said:
    Maybe they could send them some batteries -- or ideas on how to build an electric grid.
    I’m sure they have plenty of ideas, but they don’t mean shit if it stalls at the government level. Both sides are so focused on politicizing everything, they forgot who they’re actually supposed to be working for. 
    Texas is Republican-run. In the 1930s the state disconnected from the national power grid so that energy companies didn't have to be regulated. These companies saved money by not winterizing their natural gas, coal, oil refineries, and windmills. These things operate just fine in northern countries like Canada, Norway, Finland, etc. But the Republican-run "don't mess with Texas" independent boot-straps utopia is now begging the federal govt for handouts, the same federal govt they continually turn their back against. Now their arrogance and stupidity has come back to frost-bite them.
    Agree, although I'm fairly certain Texas politicians are not actively seeking or asking for any help, lest it make them look "weak", never mind the needs of the ordinary Texan, 30-40%+ who are not Republican.  This is a weather disaster compounded by inadequate and unhardened man-made infrastructure that could have been much better but isn't.  I'm hoping that all Texans hold their politicians accountable for their LACK of responsibility for setting up goals, processes, and YES, responsibility and regulations to make sure utility services can function in extreme cold.  They (politicians and utilities) claim, "oh, but its a once a century incident, why should we have to prepare for that??".  Well the same thing happened in 2011, Federal regulators studied and suggested many many ways to winterize and prepare the electricity grid and generation systems for weather like this, but the legislature decided not to implement tougher regulations and instead suggested the utilities voluntarily upgrade and harden their facilities - of course it would cost money, of course, it would not happen unless forced to by law and regulation - and so here we are.  That once in a century event happened twice in 10 years!!  And more extreme summer weather and winter weather is a distinct possibility now.  Remember, all the cold weather states have perfectly fine operating utility system that can function quite well in much colder weather than just single digit temps and snow/ice.  

    Ironically, the Biden administration is sending additional food, water, blankets, supplies to Texas.  One has to wonder if the Texas state government will stop it at the border, allow it to come in, or otherwise not use it so as to no appear to accept federal aid.  Plus the federal government is now going to look into Texas' electrical grid and again recommend ways to harden the grid against bad weather.  Oh, and one more thing.  With all the snow and ice on the ground. and warmer weather on its way, what about potential flooding in flood prone areas like Houston as the snow melts?
    GeorgeBMacMacPro