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Because Apple maintains iOS on their iOS devices. If you install an app from another store and it crashes iOS, who will fix it? YOU, LOLApple license the software that app developers uses to get a properly working app on iOS. Apple owns the copyright to that software and can dictate in the license agreement how it can be use. Want to write an app for iOS without that software, then reverse engineer iOS. It's the only legal way to do it.
It's not that Apple owns the only store that developers can use to get their apps onto iOS, it's that Apple owns iOS and agrees to maintain iOS for the useful life of the iOS device. Even if you're not the original owner. Even in the UK. If an app in the Apple App Store crashes iOS on your device, Apple will troubleshoot and fix iOS for free.How would you feel if an app you downloaded from another source, crashes iOS on your idevice and Apple tells you're on your own. That's what Microsoft does if you run a third party program that crashes Windows on your PC. They'll tell you to seek support from the third party that sold you the program.You think the developer that sold you a $1.99 app from outside the Apple App Store, is going to fix your iOS device when their program crashes it. LOLDevelopers aren't paying to have their software in the Apple App Store. They are paying to be on iOS. Apple don't have to allow anyone to use iOS for free.
lkrupp said:Free apps are free because the developers chose to make them free, not Apple. Apple choses to make some of their own apps free, some not. As for your first argument, Epic is NOT a platform. Epic does not have a distribution network as it relies on both Apple and Google to provide access to tis products. Epic seems to think that access should be free of charge. Epic also appears to want its own App Store on Apple’s distribution network, again for free. Epic’s entire motive here is to bypass Apple’s fee for hosting their products. As has been pointed out over and over again, grocery stores charge brands a fee for providing shelf space for the product. Why can’t Apple?So to address the specific claim you make, which I’ve already demonstrated isn’t the case here, all developers pay $99 per year to access the developer program and be able to submit apps for inclusion in the App Store. Epic already pay their developer fee, which would be the equivalent of your listing fee. The question should then be, why do they think they are entitled to any other fees? To pre-empt your response, developers benefit from sales made in-app using Apple’s payment services, so you Apple get a slice of those sales? Yes, of course they should. But this isn’t the argument here, what should happen with sales made independently by a developer using their own platform? Apple wants the same percentage from those sales too, even though they aren’t involved in processing the sale. Why is that fair? Ok, to make another pre-emptive assumption, “it’s Apple’s terms and conditions, don’t like it, don’t distribute your app on their App Store”. Correct. However due to Apple’s architecture, the only way to distribute and install an app on an Apple device it must be available on the Apple App Store. Is it bad for consumers, or anticompetitive for Apple to have such control over their devices owners that consumers have no other choice than to use the App Store?
Finally, let me ask what you think of this situation. I can download the Microsoft Office suite for iOS through the App Store for free, and have use of the app. I can also unlock more features if I subscribe to Office 365 using the in-app purchase. I assume Apple get 30% of the sales Microsoft receive with this method. I can also purchase the same subscription through Microsoft’s website, or indeed a number of other retailers. I assume Apple don’t get a percentage of those sales. The app is available on the App Store so we can assume Apple is happy with this arrangement. Before it was removed from the App Store, I could download the Fortnite app, use the app for free, and if I want to unlock features, extra weapons, skins etc, I can do so using the in-app purchase. We know Apple are taking 30% from those sales. I can also purchase those same features through the Epic web store. This is unacceptable to Apple and Fortnite is removed from the app store. How are these two examples so different that one is allowed and the other isn’t?
nicholfd said:Did you support Apple denying their users access to alternative stores on the users devices? Do you use any of the applications thrown off the App Store? If the answer to either question is no, you aren’t part of the group I’m commenting on.
YOU - Name the apps removed from Apple's App Store that you use and have issue with Apple removing them! If you name any at all (which I doubt), I would bet they all violated the terms of the contract they agreed to, or local law, when they published the app on Apple's App Store.The apps I use isn’t relevant to the argument. Firstly, I’m addressing people who were affected by the situation I described, second Apple are not a law enforcement agency. Laws differ across different jurisdictions so while you could argue Apple could be liable to legal action for hosting content which violates local laws it says nothing to whether the app should exist and people should be able to install it or not.
chadbag said:launfall said:I wonder how people who defended Apple for not allowing applications being installed from different App Stores feel now the apps for the social media platforms they love are being kicked off the store?
nicholfd said:I wonder how people who defended Apple for not allowing applications being installed from different App Stores feel now the apps for the social media platforms they love are being kicked off the store?