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Wesley Hilliard said:

gatorguy said:

Wesley Hilliard said:

gatorguy said:

It most surely does. It learns from it and then builds on it.
https://news.mit.edu/2023/explained-generative-ai-1109

Magic Editor uses Generative AI just as surely or not as Clean Up does based on what your wrote:
Quote:" With Clean Up, users will be able to select an area of a photo via a brush tool and remove specific objects from an image. In internal versions of the app, testers can also adjust the brush size to allow for easier removal of smaller or larger objects." And that differs from Magic Editor in what way?   

I didn't write this one. But you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what's happening here...

Even Google says it's an ML tool on its original press release. They just changed it to AI last year to fit in with the times. How that tool works didn't change. On Google's page describing the feature it says that not all objects can be selected. That wouldn't be the case if it were generative AI.

Google said on the Day-one announcement of it that Magic Editor uses Generative AI.
https://blog.google/products/photos/google-photos-magic-editor-pixel-io-2023/

As for why certain things can't be selected, it's not because it's not using GenAI:
Google Photos' Magic Editor may not be able to select all objects because it won't be allowed to edit certain types of or elements in photos, such as ID cards, receipts, and other documents that violate Google's GenAI terms. Magic Editor also can't edit faces, parts of people, or large selections. When a user tries to edit one of these items, an error message will appear.

We can wait to see what Apple builds into this year's iPhone for on-device photo editing. You say it will be GenAI-driven, and thus it will do more than Magic Editor can. We can come back in a few months and revisit it. I'll let it rest until Apple actually announces something.  

The thing you linked is from Google announcing Magic Eraser again in 2023. It originally launched in 2021, where they called it ML before AI was the cool term.

https://blog.google/products/photos/magic-eraser/

It's not generative AI. I don't know why you're so caught up on this but you do you. Google's marketing convinced you really well I guess.

i'm interested in seeing what it does too. But I don't really care who does what better. The point of this conversation is that words have meaning and Google calls things AI even when it's ML. It's so bad Apple had to start doing it in its press so it didn't appear behind to idiots who didn't know better.

auxio said:

VictorMortimer said:

mikethemartian said:

Is bog standard Android open source?

Yes.  https://source.android.com/

The trick with Android is that, if you want your Android device to have access to Google services (search, maps, mail, etc) then you need to be GMS certified. Those APIs & apps aren't open source.

AFAIK, Samsung devices are GMS certified and so there's no way they can block use of the microphone from Google's apps. So it appears to be a symbolic ban based on favouring local. Though perhaps they have a special arrangement with Google on this.

danox said:

gatorguy said:

avon b7 said:

Sounds like a more marketing focused play to push the privacy and latency angles. Assuming the rumour is true. 

That's certainly one way to do it but isn't without its own issues. Limited scope and how many older iPhones can make decent use of it for example. 

We'll have to wait and see how they announce it because other options from multiple vendors will remain open to iOS users anyway (perhaps some will be monetised through usage or subscription options).

There will also need to be a range of models to play off. 

NLU, NLG are obviously two key areas. Image related AI will probably require an improvement too.

Hallucination is a property of AI models and won't go away in that sense. Hallucination is even desired in many scenarios. 

The problem is that there are obviously scenarios where you would prefer not to have it. I believe that can be done quite well but normally requires the model to sit within another model etc, upping resource usage. 

It's much the same way the most recent Pixel phones do it. Most of the (Generative) AI functions happen on device, a privacy-friendly approach. Computationally intensive features and web search are processed "in the cloud" for obvious reasons.  I think Apple will be following the same path, but be better at marketing the privacy of the on-device portions of the system than Google is. 

Sure, Apple will be different because they have the superior mobile/desktop/laptop hardware/OS to make it different the 3.5-4 hours Video Boost and other AI miscues exist because Google hardware is weak and Samsung has no real control over what Google feeds them OS wise. The Tensor is easily more than five years behind Apples hardware they have no choice but to use a phone home solution.

https://www.androidpolice.com/video-boost-pixel-8-pro-review/ Phone home to the cloud servers and wait 3.5-4 hours for a AI/video boomerang.

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

paisleydisco said:

Okay. Now go after supermarkets and retail stores that charge 30% and more for products to be placed in store. 

Developers knew the price of admission and now are crying. GTFO. 

Yes. Developers knew the price of admission. We all do. The question is if that constitutes abuse of dominant position. That we can't know until the process is over. 

That "dominate position" was the fertile ground that grew those developers businesses. Now those same developers want to avoid any payments at all to Apple. 

That doesn't really look like a viable synergy, but then again, this is the EU we are talking about, an aging and brittle political and economic structure. I'll probably live long enough to see the EU disintegrate, and then, back to continuous warfare.

Lovely.

VictorMortimer said:

macxpress said:

Xed said:

StrangeDays said:

Good thing I don’t know anybody who gives a shirt about that, let alone any normals. 

You know you can like Apple products -and- want them to be easier for DIYers to repair and upgrade.

I found the video interesting and I'm glad that these are easier to repair. 

While I agree the video is interesting, 99.999999% of Apple customers really don't give a shit one way or another if they can repair it. The vast majority will just take it somewhere to get fixed should something go wrong. It's really only some on these Mac forums that make a big stink about repairability because they think Apple should make a computer like they did back in the 90's where everything is removable. . 

It's more like 10% that don't care.  The rest of us are sick of the consumer hostility.

Even if you aren't going to fix it yourself, parts pairing makes repairs MUCH more expensive for everyone and causes millions of repairable devices to turn into landfill.

And yes, some of us absolutely DO want computers to be made like they were in the '90s and 2000s when everything was removable.  It's the right way to build a computer that has parts that fail.  It's ridiculous that storage chips, which WILL fail, are soldered.  Even LPDDR5 RAM is now available in LPCAMM removable modules.  There's no excuse for Apple's nonsense.