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anonymouse said:

ctt_zh said:

22july2013 said:

I presume the EU will mandate this next.

In Europe most people don't use iMessage and use an app like WhatsApp, so they already enjoy end-to-end encryption regardless of the device. Otherwise the EU mandating it would be an excellent idea! Seriously, I'm sure the EU will mandate interoperability using the forthcoming Messaging Layer Security (MLS) protocol in order to ensure end-to-end encryption between different messaging apps... that would make more sense than focussing on RCS.

Yeah, that'll be the day when governments start mandating E2E encryption, hahaha.

danox said:

robin huber said:

Apple brands itself as responsible and privacy forward. Perhaps they don’t feel the need to participate in fig-leaf events such as this, that they’re going to do the right thing because that’s what they do? Also, I think Apple may end up being a client of AI rather than a purveyor, much like they get screens from Samsung. So it’s up the vendors to assure the safety of their wares. 

Apples path is different because they have a in-house OS across several devices, real in house hardware design and engineering, and will never be on the same path as Google, Meta, Amazon, or even Microsoft, I don’t see where Apple gets anything out of participating in the big lie. 

Google is a client of Apple, in so far as Google writes out a check for billions of dollars per year for a default search position within iOS and Mac OS, and Apple being historically, a vertical computer company, probably doesn’t need help from Google or Microsoft.

coolfactor said:

I have to side with Apple on this one. Clearly the Fruit Suisse people wanted to leverage the recognition and popularity of Apple when they revamped their logo. I struggle with the "+" symbol, too, as to me that relates to medical / first aid due to Red Cross. But I know that an "apple with a plus" predates Apple, so that may give the case legs.

gatorguy said:

So what is the privacy danger from using GMail? It's mentioned more than once, but the only example given is a promoted ad or two in the "Promotions" tab which hardly qualifies as an invasion of privacy.

The article then implies Google doesn't offer E2EE for GMail, but stops short of saying so.  FWIW it does, and according to MacWorld "Google one-ups Apple with end-to-end encryption for GMail... tops Apple's new Advanced Data Protection". And from another article " (Apple)Mail is encrypted in transit, but not at rest. "Consistent with standard industry practice iCloud does not encrypt data stored on IMAP mail servers." Apple is physically able to give legitimate authorities your data"
There is an option to use encrypted mail, however.

So in the cons, there's only one, a very vague "Big privacy policy concerns" without any example given.  If there's something else you might want to be specific. 

As far as I know Google doesn't use the contents of your GMail for data monetization, ie, ad placement. 

You’re right that Google doesn't use the contents of your GMail for data monetization, ie, ad placement Gatorguy.

From the Google Keynote (Google I/O ‘22).. 

https://www.youtube.com/live/nP-nMZpLM1A?feature=share&t=3922

From the transcript:

"We never sell your personal information to anyone or use the content you store in apps like Gmail, Google Photos, or Drive for advertising purposes. We also never use sensitive information like health, race, religion, or sexual orientation for personalized ads, period. We believe that the best ads are helpful, relevant, and safe."

I remember several cases of Google stating this in the last few years. The same thing was, for example, stated at Google I/O 2021..

https://www.youtube.com/live/XFFrahd05OM?feature=share&t=2268

StrangeDays said:

gatorguy said:

Allowing a user choice of what applications to load on their own personal $1000 expenditure puts the onus where it belongs. The only legitimate reason not to is purely profit-based and not because they're "saving us from ourselves". 

Completely wrong, or course. But how can we expect a google guy to understand the value proposition of the platform when he doesn’t even have an iPhone? Having absolute trust in the walled garden and security of apps within the App Store is the entire reason for its success with non-techies. That isn’t profit-based, it’s value-based. You general-IT-dude types still fail to grok Apple, forty years later and counting. It shows.