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Apple's Mac Studio launches with new M1 Ultra chip in a compact package
Depending on your productions needs the Mac Studio is either a bargain of a lifetime or not a particularly great deal. For video and 2d creative work I think you'd need your head seen to if you didn't but a Mac Studio either version will run rings around most PC boxes running Resolve. I can see many post production studios coming back to the Mac and the lower end Studio being the hot seller, I predict this model will fly off the shelves.
Unfortunately for 3D artists like myself the GPUs are just too weak for rendering and there's no hardware raytracing and what's more disappointing Apple's own software acceleration structure isn't particularly great. There's still issues with the size of the kernel Metal is able to work with so it looks like it's going to be behind Optix/HIP in performance and features for a while.
Towards the end of the year both nVidia and AMD will be dropping their next gen GPUs which are predicted to be of the order 2x (maybe even more) the performance of their current GPUs and that probably puts daylight between an M1 Mac Pro let alone the Studio. Leaks coming from the nVidia hack show that the GPUs will have double the VRAM so 48GB renders the unified memory advantage of the M1 moot. No one is going to try and render a 64GB 3d scene on a GPU as weak as the Studio's.
For me as predominantly a 3D artist I can't see beyond a PC workstation but I will probably pick up a low end Studio for video and compositing to replace my iMac. I might wait until M2 to do that though. -
Apple's $5,999 modular Mac Pro now available to order
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Apple's new Mac Pro is being manufactured in China
dewme said:
To suggest business customers aren't as price sensitive or don't want the best value for money they can get shows a complete lack of understanding of how business works. We are in competition if I spend 2-3 times more on a computer that does exactly the same as a much cheaper computer what does that do to either my profits or the rate I have to charge my customer?
Businesses want to keep their overheads as low as possible, I'd be happy to spend 2-3x more on a computer if it gave me some competitive advantage or it did a task 2-3x better but the Mac Pro is just a workstation that runs MacOS instead of Windows or Linux. There is no advantage for me in MacOS and if there was it wouldn't be worth spending 2-3x more on it. The reality is that PC Workstations are vastly cheaper, much easier to customise to best fit your business demands (e.g Intel or AMD CPUs and nVidia or AMD GPUs) and come with better warranties.
As others have noted the Warranty and service agreements that other Workstation vendors offer, Apple's lug it back to an Apple store for servicing when we get round to it is so far from the expectations of business customers it isn't funny.
I don't see what the Mac Pro brings to the table, it can't now even bring manufacturing jobs back to the US because the overt SJW CEO would rather off-shore US jobs to China. Where's the social justice in that decision?
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High-end users on 'Why I'm buying the new Mac Pro'
From the List it looks like the 24 core and 28 Mac Pros will use the M variant CPU to give them the 1.5 TB Mem support. M as in MASSIVE dent in your wallet.
24 core = $4.5k
28 core = $7.45k
I don't know if they're even end user prices, they won't be Apple prices.
The 8 core - 16 core Mac Pro would be handed its arse by a 16 Core Ryzen ($749) let alone a 32 core Threadripper based workstation for creative tasks.
Again, who the heck is going to buy this? I'm still waiting to hear from someone who is going to spend their own money on this new Mac Pro.
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/xeon_wW-3223 3 June 2019 $ 749.00€ 674.10
£ 606.69
¥ 77,394.178 16 160 W 8 MiB8,192 KiB
8,388,608 B
0.00781 GiB16.5 MiB16,896 KiB
17,301,504 B
0.0161 GiB3.5 GHz3,500 MHz
3,500,000 kHz4 GHz4,000 MHz
4,000,000 kHz4.2 GHz4,200 MHz
4,200,000 kHzW-3225 3 June 2019 $ 1,199.00€ 1,079.10
£ 971.19
¥ 123,892.678 16 160 W160,000 mW
0.215 hp
0.16 kW8 MiB8,192 KiB
8,388,608 B
0.00781 GiB16.5 MiB16,896 KiB
17,301,504 B
0.0161 GiB3.7 GHz3,700 MHz
3,700,000 kHz4.3 GHz4,300 MHz
4,300,000 kHz4.4 GHz4,400 MHz
4,400,000 kHzW-3235 3 June 2019 $ 1,398.00€ 1,258.20
£ 1,132.38
¥ 144,455.3412 24 180 W180,000 mW
0.241 hp
0.18 kW12 MiB12,288 KiB
12,582,912 B
0.0117 GiB19.25 MiB19,712 KiB
20,185,088 B
0.0188 GiB3.3 GHz3,300 MHz
3,300,000 kHz4.4 GHz4,400 MHz
4,400,000 kHz4.5 GHz4,500 MHz
4,500,000 kHzW-3245 3 June 2019 $ 1,999.00 16 32 205 W205,000 mW
0.275 hp
0.205 kW16 MiB16,384 KiB
16,777,216 B
0.0156 GiB22 MiB22,528 KiB
23,068,672 B
0.0215 GiB3.2 GHz3,200 MHz
3,200,000 kHz4.4 GHz4,400 MHz
4,400,000 kHz4.6 GHz4,600 MHz
4,600,000 kHzW-3245M 3 June 2019 $ 5,002.00€ 4,501.80
£ 4,051.62
¥ 516,856.6616 32 205 W205,000 mW
0.275 hp
0.205 kW16 MiB 22 MiB22,528 KiB
23,068,672 B
0.0215 GiB3.2 GHz3,200 MHz
3,200,000 kHz4.4 GHz4,400 MHz
4,400,000 kHz4.6 GHz4,600 MHz
4,600,000 kHzW-3265 3 June 2019 $ 3,349.00 24 48 205 W205,000 mW
0.275 hp
0.205 kW24 MiB24,576 KiB
25,165,824 B
0.0234 GiB33 MiB33,792 KiB
34,603,008 B
0.0322 GiB2.7 GHz2,700 MHz
2,700,000 kHz4.4 GHz4,400 MHz
4,400,000 kHz4.6 GHz4,600 MHz
4,600,000 kHzW-3265M 3 June 2019 $ 6,353.00€ 5,717.70
£ 5,145.93
¥ 656,455.4924 48 205 W205,000 mW
0.275 hp
0.205 kW24 MiB24,576 KiB
25,165,824 B
0.0234 GiB33 MiB33,792 KiB
34,603,008 B
0.0322 GiB2.7 GHz2,700 MHz
2,700,000 kHz4.4 GHz4,400 MHz
4,400,000 kHz4.6 GHz4,600 MHz
4,600,000 kHzW-3275 3 June 2019 $ 4,449.00€ 4,004.10
£ 3,603.69
¥ 459,715.1728 56 205 W205,000 mW
0.275 hp
0.205 kW28 MiB28,672 KiB
29,360,128 B
0.0273 GiB38.5 MiB39,424 KiB
40,370,176 B
0.0376 GiB2.5 GHz2,500 MHz
2,500,000 kHz4.4 GHz4,400 MHz
4,400,000 kHz4.6 GHz4,600 MHz
4,600,000 kHzW-3275M 3 June 2019 $ 7,453.00 28 56 205 W205,000 mW
0.275 hp
0.205 kW28 MiB28,672 KiB
29,360,128 B
0.0273 GiB38.5 MiB39,424 KiB
40,370,176 B
0.0376 GiB2.5 GHz2,500 MHz
2,500,000 kHz4.4 GHz4,400 MHz
4,400,000 kHz4.6 GHz
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High-end users on 'Why I'm buying the new Mac Pro'
@cgWerks
I rather doubt you have the necessary chops for the level of condescension that was flowing through every paragraph of your reply. I have over 20 years working in animation at all budget levels and have the temerity to run my own motion graphics studio. I speak from experience.
You are justifying that Apple's brand new not even released yet top of the Mac range should ship with a 3 year old GPU and 256GB SSD. I am embarrassed for you. Apple requires people like you to maintain their reality distortion and repeat their cliched marketing talking points.
I love the fact that you quoted Dave McGavran marketing quote, because the Redshift developers themselves are altogether far more circumspect about Redshift and Metal. They make no promises about performance and only 'hope' to be as fully featured as the current CUDA version. I've been a Redshift user for nearly 2 years and I'm well up to speed on what the actual developers themselves have said constantly about Metal support but that wouldn't make great copy for Apple marketing quotes.
From the C4D plugin developers at Greyscale Gorilla who have all switch to PC from Mac in recent years.
"From a hardware perspective, it’s exactly what I feared it would be. Underwhelming and overpriced. With no NVIDIA support, which everyone feared, it is not really going to win over anyone in the professional 3D space. But hey, it comes with wheels."
https://greyscalegorilla.com/2019/06/thoughts-new-mac-pro-3d/
Maxon have ProRender running on Metal and it is ridiculously slow, if Redshift ends up as bad as this then no one will be interested and it will have been a complete waste of developers' time.
I rather think the sour grapes are all yours pal, I get that you've bought into the Apple bubble and it must be tough to find out that actuality is vastly different, every single one of my close work colleagues has ditched the Mac over the last 5 years, yeah every single one of us were Mac Pro users. Some jumped soon after the Trashcan was released others like me hung on and hung on but couldn't wait any longer. Not a single one of my colleagues is the slightest bit interested in the Mac Pro, it misses every single mark, it's not fit for purpose.
The people who will care about ZombieLoad and the rest of the Intel microcode security issues are the people you claim won't need a half decent GPU because they're running a 'high-performance database' your words.. In the real world Hyperthreading is being turned off in exactly these workloads. Get a clue.