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AirTag rival Chipolo One Spot with keyring hole now available for preorder
Bud, if you can find anything in my quote that ridicules Apple, please point it out. I can save you some time. You won't. You can find a refutation of sflocal's claim about the media and iHaters. The media didn't initiate the discussion surrounding stalking, Apple did. Are you refuting the validity of that statement? I mean if your only argument is ad hominem rhetoric, please don't waste my time. Refute a point, I'll continue discourse. Otherwise, be good.Xed said:
Your idiotic post reminds of a scene in Tucker: The Man and His Dream (1988) where someone tried to talk Tucker out of including seatbelts in his car because it would give the public the perception the car was unsafe, instead of the perception that the car was safer because of the safety feature. Do I need to tell you how common seatbelts and other safety features are today?CloudTalkin said:
Is it the media or did Apple create the issue themselves? You rightly point out the potential for electronic stalking existed long before Apple introduced AirTags. You're also right that it was never really an issue that was at the forefront of media coverage until AirTags. The scrutiny came when Apple, not the media, decided to use an edge case possibility -stalking- as a tool for marketing the safety of their product relative to the other trackers on the market.sflocal said:
The media and iHaters only care about Apple. It's irrelevant that the entire GPS industry has had this problem since forever... but HEY APPLE!AppleZulu said:What is Chipolo doing to prevent stalkers and abusers from using this device to track their victims? Will it alert someone that a device not registered to them has been following them? If so, do you have to install a Chipolo app and register an account in order to be notified, even if you don't have any Chipolo tags yourself? Will the Chipolo tag start making a noise after some period of time if its owner isn't nearby? I'm just asking because Apple's AirTags have some anti-stalker features, but a bunch of people on these forums seemed to think they hadn't done enough in that area. Now we have this Chipolo announcement, and I can't find a thing on their website about any measures whatsoever that they've taken to thwart misuse of their devices, other than the potential that there might not be enough Chipolo users out there for their phones to usefully relay a victim's location back to the stalker.
Afaik, neither Tile nor any of the other device tracking companies used the scary specter of stalking as a marketing talking point. I'd be willing to bet stalking wouldn't even be a point of discussion surrounding AirTags if Apple hadn't used it as a way to bring attention to their product.
First you'll ridicule Apple for this feature, eventually others will add it and you'll then say it was an obvious inclusion this whole time.
PS: New Hampshire is the only state that doesn't have a seatbelt law.
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AirTag rival Chipolo One Spot with keyring hole now available for preorder
Is it the media or did Apple create the issue themselves? You rightly point out the potential for electronic stalking existed long before Apple introduced AirTags. You're also right that it was never really an issue that was at the forefront of media coverage until AirTags. The scrutiny came when Apple, not the media, decided to use an edge case possibility -stalking- as a tool for marketing the safety of their product relative to the other trackers on the market.sflocal said:
The media and iHaters only care about Apple. It's irrelevant that the entire GPS industry has had this problem since forever... but HEY APPLE!AppleZulu said:What is Chipolo doing to prevent stalkers and abusers from using this device to track their victims? Will it alert someone that a device not registered to them has been following them? If so, do you have to install a Chipolo app and register an account in order to be notified, even if you don't have any Chipolo tags yourself? Will the Chipolo tag start making a noise after some period of time if its owner isn't nearby? I'm just asking because Apple's AirTags have some anti-stalker features, but a bunch of people on these forums seemed to think they hadn't done enough in that area. Now we have this Chipolo announcement, and I can't find a thing on their website about any measures whatsoever that they've taken to thwart misuse of their devices, other than the potential that there might not be enough Chipolo users out there for their phones to usefully relay a victim's location back to the stalker.
Afaik, neither Tile nor any of the other device tracking companies used the scary specter of stalking as a marketing talking point. I'd be willing to bet stalking wouldn't even be a point of discussion surrounding AirTags if Apple hadn't used it as a way to bring attention to their product.
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Actual US broadband penetration & speed falls far short of FCC claims
The data shows broadband usage, which doesn't draw any distinctions between areas where higher speeds aren't available or areas in which the people can't afford faster connections. In Apache County, Arizona, broadband usage clocks in at about 5%. Among the 70,000 that live in the county, about 23,000 are in poverty -- the highest poverty rate in the state. - Seems they did pick up on it.steven n. said:This is the telling part:
“The blue-colored areas are U.S. counties where less than 15% of people are using the internet at a 25Mbps download speed, which is the FCC's definition of high-speed internet.”
The FCC judges by available. Microsoft judges by using. Two very different metrics. I would not expect The Verge’s sophomoric “journalism” to pick up on this.
The FCC doesn't judge by available. The FCC judges by what the ISP's say is available. What the ISP's say isn't reflected in actual deployment. Ars Technica does a great job of covering the debacle of broadband deployment. You should check out some of their coverage. Suffice it to say, Microsoft's data isn't a revelation. We already knew the ISP's were doing a crappy job.
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Actual US broadband penetration & speed falls far short of FCC claims
Why publish it? Microsoft published this info as part of their Airband Initiative to help close the rural broadband gap. How much are they selling it for? $0. It's free for all to analyze. https://github.com/microsoft/USBroadbandUsagePercentages ;rob53 said:@Cg27--you typed faster than me....)
This means only people accessing Microsoft cloud services would have been included in this data. Which Microsoft cloud services are used by non-Microsoft client software (Office suite, etc.)? I know Microsoft collects all kinds of data but I have to wonder why they're publishing it and how much they're selling it for.
When you look at the map, I can totally understand the results for the western states. There's nothing but desert in the blue area of Nevada. The northern end of California is mountains on the west and high desert (Mt. Lassen) on the east. This is grazing land for the most part. That swath of Washington state is interesting but it's also not a highly populated area until you get closer to the eastern border. Alaska is a no-brainer. There's almost no towns in most of that state. In most of these internet-limited areas I see the Starlink satellite access as being the most cost-effective way to deliver internet. Installing fiber/coax cables just won't work.
The surprising part is the midwest and south where it should be easier to install landlines but I see this as being a political problem with taxpayers money not being spent on services to enhance internet access.
--What I'd like to see is more cellular access in many of these blue areas because more people drive through these areas than live in them.
You seem to be missing the overarching point which is broadband coverage isn't actually what the government says it is because the government is relying on self reporting from ISP's who have continually lied about the state of broadband coverage in the US. Not only have they lied, they've taken tax payer funds to strengthen broadband coverage without actually doing it.
What MS's data shows is only a small part of the disparity between paid for promises and unfulfilled delivery. As long as the telecom lobbying arm pumps inordinate amounts of money into political coffers... ain't nuttin' gon change.
You won't see more cellular access in those blue areas for some of the same reasons the areas are blue. The telecoms don't have to offer coverage because no one is making them do it. Can't say they aren't being incentivized because the government continues to give them money to do it but won't make them actually do it.
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Seven Apple suppliers linked to Chinese forced labor programs
1. From the article you're quoting:radarthekat said:No word from these reports as to whether any other companies get parts from these companies. Surely they aren’t solely Apple suppliers.
"According to The Information, other U.S. and Western companies that work with the seven identified suppliers include Google, Samsung, Amazon, Tesla, Dell, Lenovo, BMW, Cisco, and HP, among others."
2. Why am I not surprised the first response to the article is a quote looking to point the finger elsewhere and spread the blame. If the rumors are true, involvement by other companies doesn't lessen the impact of Apple's involvement. "They do it too has never been a good excuse" I'm also sure Apple would never use it. That's an excuse some Apple fans like to trot out when Apple could be involved with something less than respectable. Apple has shown time and again, when verifiable evidence exists, they act on it. No need to attempt deflection towards other companies.
