CloudTalkin

sbwolves said:

lkrupp said:

Well, the progressives are already okay with the idea of not having to prove your identity at the polling place. I mean they want to boycott Georgia for requiring it. And then there’s the absentee ballot, the mailed/emailed ballot, all of which can be falsified pretty easily. So I should be able to show up at a polling place, tell them who I am without proof of identity, and vote, right? So whats the problem with iPhone voting?

The iPhone is one of the most secure ID vaults you can own. You have to prove your identity several times over just to own and use one. then getting in and out of that phone requires biometrics--finger scanners or Face-ID...both of which have been proven to be quite secure.

While it does not exist yet, vote by phone is coming. After all, the entire conservative banking system lets people bank by phone all over the globe, over phones that are far less secure than an iPhone.

I don't disagree with your opinion regarding voter fraud.  It's basically a scare tactic use to foment doubt and make it easier for voter suppressive legislation.  That being said, your assertions (specifically bold portion) regarding the iPhone are not true at all.  An iPhone can be purchased from an MVNO or other 3rd party vendor with no ID requirement whatsoever.  Both my wife and I can enter our kids iPhones with no issue.  We both have fingerprints registered on their phones. I mention that anecdote because you seem to be implying the "personal security" measures in the iPhone would somehow be a deterrent against voter fraud.  A phone being registered to a person is not a guarantee that person is actually using the phone.  My kids phones are registered to me. I don't use their phones.  

The analogy about banking isn't really an effective argument.  It relies on the personal security measures as it's basis.  Those measures don't ensure voter secrecy and don't ensure who's actually voting.  Most important is voter secrecy.  If it's known who you vote for and how you vote on issues, that data could be abused.  

I am also sure Cook meant vote on a phone when he said "vote on an iPhone".  Pretty sure he was using iPhone generically like when people say Kleenex or Q-Tip.  The idea of voting on a single brand of phone is sort of absurd and would never even get off the ground realistically.

lkrupp said:

Well, the progressives are already okay with the idea of not having to prove your identity at the polling place. I mean they want to boycott Georgia for requiring it. And then there’s the absentee ballot, the mailed/emailed ballot, all of which can be falsified pretty easily. So I should be able to show up at a polling place, tell them who I am without proof of identity, and vote, right? So whats the problem with iPhone voting?

Not sure where you get your political news but your assessment of what's going on in GA is entirely wrong.  Georgia's being excoriated for all of the voter suppressive mechanisms in the new laws, not proof of identity. You are simply repeating the deflective talking points GA lawmakers are pushing.  Suffice it to say, what's going on in GA doesn't help your point in any way, shape, or form.  

Ignoring political rhetoric, imo, the primary problem with iPhone (or any phone) voting is expressed in the article above: preserving the secrecy of the ballot.  It's one of the core tenets of our voting system. To be fair, it's surrounded by so much FUD it may have been hard to pick out. 

zklausz said:

How did you pay your taxes this year.   Which has more sensitive info.  Taxes vs vote. 

Wait, you're asking what's more sensitive info?  Tax info which we voluntarily give to the government every single year or our specific voting record which could be used by the party in power and the party trying to get in power, in horrific ways to manipulate the populace.  That would be a national nightmare.   Gonna go out on a limb and say it's how we vote that carries a higher level of sensitivity.  What we make per year is easy for anyone to find out, and of no consequence really.

Beats said:

yensid98 said:

This has to include things like movie, tv and music purchases right? If not, I have zero idea how people are spending this much. I haven't bought or spent money on an iPhone app in about 6 years. None of my friends or family spend on the App Store either. I can't imagine what people have spent $138 on in 2020. Wow! Just crazy!

You really think 90% of apps asking to be purchased or having IAP are for nothing?

App Store is one of the greatest inventions in human history when it comes to economy.

CloudTalkin said:

yensid98 said:

This has to include things like movie, tv and music purchases right? If not, I have zero idea how people are spending this much. I haven't bought or spent money on an iPhone app in about 6 years. None of my friends or family spend on the App Store either. I can't imagine what people have spent $138 on in 2020. Wow! Just crazy!

Overwhelmingly, iOS users spend money on games... especially IAP laden games like Candy Crush Saga and Gardenscapes.  The amount iOS users spend on games more than doubles the amount spent on the next 4 categories combined.  Games is over 7x the next largest category, Entertainment (movie, tv, music).  Generally speaking iOS users happily accept being nickle-and-dimed with IAP much more so than any other form of commerce on the App Store.  As with most things, our forum mentality of "IAP" sucks (it does) doesn't really carry over into the real world.    Would have been cool if AI included the graphs since they're a bit more illuminating.



I always get a little chuckle from people's personal anecdotes like "I don't spend on the apps store" or "Nobody I know spends on the app store".  The App Store generates 10's of billions of dollars per year (est 6.4 of them in 2020) so someone is obviously spending money on the App Store.  

I like how you sneakily dissed Apple users by claiming they like to be nickel and dimed more than other commerce stores. More like they actually have money compared to cheap iKnockoff users who also have a pirating fetish. 

I didn't sneakily do anything.  I stated simple and plain fact.  Fact that has been around since the advent of the App Store.  People prefer being nickle-and-dimed (IAP) vs any other form of commerce on the App Store.  That has nothing to do with how much money they have.  It's about how they like to spend money in the App Store.  I notice you didn't refute anything in my post.  Instead you did what you always do: banal derogatory posting to deflect from the topic.  Here's hoping one day you'll decide to contribute something of substance. 

Btw, I said iOS users prefer IAP over any other form of commerce (payment) on the App Store.  There's no comparative to any other stores. That's your paranoid hyper-defensiveness  regarding Apple overruling common sense.  That comment is about how people prefer to do business on the App Store. Periodt.  You'd know that if you spent more time comprehending what you read instead of trying to defend against imaginary slights against Apple.

sflocal said:

Trademark or not, usually that phrase is said during a keynote here in the United States, at Apple HQ.  So I wonder if Swatch would even try going after Apple in court and get the bad PR to go along with it.

I doubt anything would come of it.  I think this is just Swatch being cheeky.  Besides, Apple hasn't used that phrase in over half a decade.  Honestly, I think they shouldn't use it anymore.  Let that be Steve's thing; part of his legacy.  Tim can, if the need arises, have his own catch phrase.  Imagine this:

Cook ends his keynote, thanks everyone, and turns to walk off stage.  He suddenly stops, snaps his fingers, looks back over his shoulder and says, "Did I mention..."
[Shiny new (already leaked by Prosser) iDevice appears on screen]
/crowd roars

6 months later... fans of Jobs and Cooks continue their Twitter beef over which catch phrase is better.

viclauyyc said:

Swatch is so 80’s. I am surprise they are still around. I have not seen anyone wear one for very long time. All I see is apple watch or G-shock style watch. 

FC49er said:

Swatch is still a company? I guess you gotta do what you gotta do when no one remembers you're still in business. I have no use fro their product and doing this to Steve Jobs I never will. 

The Swatch Group is the largest watch company in the world.  Their brands include ETA, Blancpain, Breguet, Glashütte Original, Harry Winston, Omega, Longines, Tissot, Hamilton, Rado and yes, Swatch.  This is pretty common knowledge.  Based on the comments above, I guess common is always as common as we'd like to believe.