CloudTalkin

JBSlough said:

CloudTalkin said:

lkrupp said:

And this is what iOS and iPadOs users will face when side-loading is forced upon Apple. Adware and Spyware will be ram[pant like it is on macOS. Those who claim to be aware enough to avoid it might be okay but the common user will choose to install some cutesy app from god-knows-where and, well, there you have it. It’s probably coming and iOS users will be in the same camp as Android users. Buyer beware.

No they won't.  That's silly.  The common user is going to do what they've always done: install apps from the App Store.  It's what almost every common user does; choose the path of least resistance.  That's not a knock against the common user (I consider myself among them), it's simple human nature. That path only leads to the App Store.  It's the same for almost every ecosystem save one: Windows.  iOS users overwhelmingly use the App Store and will continue to do so.  Android users overwhelmingly use the Play Store and they've been able to sideload almost since inception.  Amazon users dl mostly from Amazon.  Chinese users dl from their primary app stores.  

Mac users may be more inclined to dl outside of the MAS than iOS users outside of the App Store, but I still think the majority of apps are dl'd through it.  Windows is the exception because Windows users typically are more used to downloading from the web instead of an app store, which really wasn't a thing until Win8 in 2012.  No, Windows Marketplace (hahahahahahahahaha) doesn't count.  Wait, where was I?

Oh yeah, please stop with the FUD.  

I beg to differ. A lot, a real lot, of apps will just opt out of Apple’s App Store. They’re just not going to pay that 30% (or whatever Apple drops that to). They’ll just be a lot less apps in the store, like the Mac App Store. A lot of us will stuck buying out of the store and paying who knows who. With no control over spyware or malware. 

A differing opinion is your prerogative.  I think it's wrong, but hey. I mean, what's your frame of reference for thinking there will be some sort of mass exodus? A few big apps would hypothetically opt out of the App Store.  Most apps won't because they are dependent on the traffic generated by the App Store.  Also remember, the vast, vast, vast majority of app devs are small.  So those small devs would only be paying 15% commission until they hit the million dollar threshold. A threshold that most won't ever hit.  There'd be no incentive to leave the App Store because there's no guarantee customers will follow. 

As I already said, sideloading and alternate app stores ave alway been a reality for Android.  Their impact could generously be called minimal.  More accurately, the impact could be described as near non-existent.  I'm pretty confident it will be the same for the App Store.  

lkrupp said:

And this is what iOS and iPadOs users will face when side-loading is forced upon Apple. Adware and Spyware will be ram[pant like it is on macOS. Those who claim to be aware enough to avoid it might be okay but the common user will choose to install some cutesy app from god-knows-where and, well, there you have it. It’s probably coming and iOS users will be in the same camp as Android users. Buyer beware.

No they won't.  That's silly.  The common user is going to do what they've always done: install apps from the App Store.  It's what almost every common user does; choose the path of least resistance.  That's not a knock against the common user (I consider myself among them), it's simple human nature. That path only leads to the App Store.  It's the same for almost every ecosystem save one: Windows.  iOS users overwhelmingly use the App Store and will continue to do so.  Android users overwhelmingly use the Play Store and they've been able to sideload almost since inception.  Amazon users dl mostly from Amazon.  Chinese users dl from their primary app stores.  

Mac users may be more inclined to dl outside of the MAS than iOS users outside of the App Store, but I still think the majority of apps are dl'd through it.  Windows is the exception because Windows users typically are more used to downloading from the web instead of an app store, which really wasn't a thing until Win8 in 2012.  No, Windows Marketplace (hahahahahahahahaha) doesn't count.  Wait, where was I?

Oh yeah, please stop with the FUD.  

AutigerMark said:

Still not live in the USA outside of a few cities and they are already moving on to Australia?

They're mapping Austria.  It's kind of like Australia 'cept the kangaroos wear lederhosen. 

This comment was typed on a 17" mid 2010 MBP running High Sierra... with nVidia graphic no less.  Still does everything I want it to do.  Still does almost everything my 2015 MBP can do.  It has aged nicely.  This monster has been "Obsolete" for over 5 years and still runs like a champ.  An older retired champ, but a champ nonetheless. 
Heck, even the gigantic BookBook I keep it stored in has aged nicely.   Any issues that occurred during it's lifetime were mostly repaired by me or my guy who's been repairing computers since the late 80's.

Truthfully, I never liked the MB.  I thought it was a compromised stopgap computer.  That being said, I'm sure anybody with one should have it for quite a while.  Caveat being the health of the keyboard.  I doubt it will last as long as my gray aircraft carrier, but it should be around for a while.

foregoneconclusion said:

CloudTalkin said: I said as new games are intro'd, they will be added.  You said they make a generalized promise that "new games will be added".  That's the same thing.  

No, it isn't. Microsoft doesn't specifically promise Series X games will be added. That's the problem with your claims. There's nothing in Microsoft's marketing for mobile Game Pass that would make you think MS wants to do that. "New games" most likely means additional older releases from 1st/3rd parties or perhaps the Xbox One versions of some games that will also release for Series X (like EA sports titles).  

Wait, let me get this right.  You're claiming nothing supports my claims ( 'cept common sense), but have the temerity to put forth the notion that "new games" most likely means additional older releases... without -how did you put- any evidence to back it up.  I mean, there's nothing that backs your claims either.  

It would make no sense for MS to limit xCloud to xB1 versions when xCloud will be running on custom Series X servers.  It would also make no sense because they want that sweet, sweet reoccurring subscription revenue.  No would subscribe for access to a back catalog only.  That silly.  Regardless, this is getting tiring.  You think one thing, I think another.  Time will be the arbiter of veracity.