CloudTalkin

cornchip said:

Beats said:

At least they didn't copy the Apple TV box.....

Except it looks like a half of an HomePod...

Fatman said:

The US has exactly 100x the land mass of South Korea. Imagine all the 5g towers that need to be installed and different telecoms will each need to build their own (mostly). Far from the national efforts other countries have. It will be a technology for densely populated cities, and the telecoms first priority is to build out to maximize profits ... not for ubiquitous coverage ... that may never happen.

wood1208 said:

It is good to live in a country with an independence justice system but when it comes to the national security, Court should respect president's decision to ban Tik-Tok. If US Court system can not understand national security issue and support own president than how can anyone trust if other critical national issue comes in front of the Court to decide and make the right decision..

22july2013 said:

CloudTalkin said:

sflocal said:

avon b7 said:

I think it's Apple that doesn't understand at least part of the problem.

And as things stand, nothing has been approved or formalised.

The EU stance is clear. Apple shouldn't have any issue with it and it has zero to do with stifling innovation (and innovation cannot come before competition rules anyway).

Apple has to offer something to reflect its own stance but this statement is very poor.

If, the EU decides that Apple is restricting competition (and that's a big if) its options are clear and simple. 

Funny that you think Apple doesn't "get it".  I think they do, and ignorance is on your side.

For decades, the banking industry has gotten away with selling my user data, or better yet, having data breaches that placed my financial life at risk.  ApplePay resolves that.  F**k them.

Banks don't like that Apple controls the final length to the customer.  The ONLY reason for this is so the banks can get out of using ApplePay and use their own version that denies me the ability to use ApplePay.  Oh, I want to use my iPhone with my Bank of America credit card?  They no longer work with with ApplePay.  You have to use their app, but... "consumer choice"!! That's their only reason.   They will deny me the ability to use ApplePay so they can continue harvesting my data.

 They are hiding their true agenda under the veil of "consumer choice" bullshit, and people like you just lap it up.  If you think your "choice" is threatened, go to Android and don't look back.  It's the wild-west so why you're expecting Apple to be like Android is beyond me.  We all enjoy Apple's locked-down approach.  They sell an all-in-one widget.  Competition is plenty from other players.  

You keep spinning that "consumer choice" narrative.

So much wrong.  Banks still get away with monetizing your data.  Not sure what gave you the impression they didn't.  Apple Pay doesn't resolve that in any way at all.  So, it's not really the F them you want it to be.  Apple doesn't control the final length to the customer. The banks still do.  If your bank has a data breach and your info is compromised, there's nothing Apple can do to mitigate your potential risk.  Again, not sure what gave you the impression they could.  If you lack this much knowledge about how your finances work, I worry for you a li'l bit.   

Part of your problem is the binary way you present your position.  This isn't an either or proposition.  Afaik, the request for access to NFC has never been about replacing Apple Pay.  It's been about being able to offer options in addition to Apple Pay.  You wouldn't have to stop using Apple Pay.  If that's your process of choice, use it to your hearts content.  Hypothetically someone else may want to use their bank's processing because they get rewards or points or some other incentive.  In that scenario, you aren't affected at all.  Neither is anyone else.  Having a choice is not a bad thing.  

Your first paragraph is excellent. Your second paragraph, while mostly right, has a small flaw, because it omits the vital fact that the NFC support is NOT provided by iOS but by code running on the Secure Enclave. Read this: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/security/seccb53a35f0/1/web/1 This is a special piece of hardware outside of (and inaccessible to) the running OS that provides access to the NFC hardware. For all we know, there isn't even enough physical room on that chip for new code from every new bank that wants their own "Pay" system. Should Apple be required to add more space to that chip to allow every second bank in the world to add its own code to that chip's firmware? I don't think so. I must admit that I don't fully understand how this Secure Enclave works, so there's probably someone who can educate me here. But the real point I'm making is that the security of a device like the iPhone requires the involvement of hardware design and everyone in the world wants a free ride by adding their own code to Apple's Secure Enclave hardware. There's no way on earth that anyone should be allowed to force Apple to redesign their hardware so that their software can get a free ride. If I'm wrong, tell me why.

22july2013 said:

I trust banks with my money. Indeed, I don't trust anyone but banks. I also trust credit card companies. But within one HOUR of Apple Card becoming available in my country I will switch over to them, and I will consider, as a thank you, converting all of my bank accounts to whatever bank is carrying my Apple Card. I'm not a millionaire, (actually, I don't know what my house is valued at, so maybe I am) but over the course of my life it will be a huge loss to the banks that have spent decades not giving me the services that I wanted. Apple gets my desire for privacy, but banks and credit card companies don't. In fact I can't think of any other company on this planet apart from Apple that cares about my privacy. This is why Apple is a two trillion dollar company and nobody else is. And until some company, maybe Google, maybe Disney, (certainly not Facebook or Amazon) takes this page out of Apple's playbook, you can expect Apple to become a three or four trillion dollar company. 

22july2013 said:

gc_uk said:

It would be obvious that Apple’s own code calls a defined API. Why is it such a big deal to open up the API to other vendors?

You want us to revert now to an unprotected OS where any app can call any OS function? We've already had this in the 1980s, it was called DOS. I loved DOS at the time, but now we have new features called "security" and "privacy" which requires protected OS functions. DOS is gone forever.