CloudTalkin

sflocal said:

avon b7 said:

I think it's Apple that doesn't understand at least part of the problem.

And as things stand, nothing has been approved or formalised.

The EU stance is clear. Apple shouldn't have any issue with it and it has zero to do with stifling innovation (and innovation cannot come before competition rules anyway).

Apple has to offer something to reflect its own stance but this statement is very poor.

If, the EU decides that Apple is restricting competition (and that's a big if) its options are clear and simple. 

Funny that you think Apple doesn't "get it".  I think they do, and ignorance is on your side.

For decades, the banking industry has gotten away with selling my user data, or better yet, having data breaches that placed my financial life at risk.  ApplePay resolves that.  F**k them.

Banks don't like that Apple controls the final length to the customer.  The ONLY reason for this is so the banks can get out of using ApplePay and use their own version that denies me the ability to use ApplePay.  Oh, I want to use my iPhone with my Bank of America credit card?  They no longer work with with ApplePay.  You have to use their app, but... "consumer choice"!! That's their only reason.   They will deny me the ability to use ApplePay so they can continue harvesting my data.

 They are hiding their true agenda under the veil of "consumer choice" bullshit, and people like you just lap it up.  If you think your "choice" is threatened, go to Android and don't look back.  It's the wild-west so why you're expecting Apple to be like Android is beyond me.  We all enjoy Apple's locked-down approach.  They sell an all-in-one widget.  Competition is plenty from other players.  

You keep spinning that "consumer choice" narrative.

So much wrong.  Banks still get away with monetizing your data.  Not sure what gave you the impression they didn't.  Apple Pay doesn't resolve that in any way at all.  So, it's not really the F them you want it to be.  Apple doesn't control the final length to the customer. The banks still do.  If your bank has a data breach and your info is compromised, there's nothing Apple can do to mitigate your potential risk.  Again, not sure what gave you the impression they could.  If you lack this much knowledge about how your finances work, I worry for you a li'l bit.   

Part of your problem is the binary way you present your position.  This isn't an either or proposition.  Afaik, the request for access to NFC has never been about replacing Apple Pay.  It's been about being able to offer options in addition to Apple Pay.  You wouldn't have to stop using Apple Pay.  If that's your process of choice, use it to your hearts content.  Hypothetically someone else may want to use their bank's processing because they get rewards or points or some other incentive.  In that scenario, you aren't affected at all.  Neither is anyone else.  Having a choice is not a bad thing.  

sflocal said:

I know Apple is doing this to provide some flexibility for those users that have been begging for this flexibility, I hope Apple doesn't go too far with this, as I could easily see it becoming the inconsistent mess that is Android.

The simplicity and was of iOS being standard across all phones and releases is why I continue using it.  Too much flexibility - like Android - is just too much.  When I'm working on android phones at the office, I just shake my head at how difficult it can be to use when things are all over the place.

Nothing you wrote makes any sense.  At all.   Not even sure what you mean by inconsistent.  Heck, I'm not even sure you know what you mean.  It just sounds like you're making generic complaints that aren't based in reality.   Android isn't difficult to use.  Most of the world's smartphone using populace has no difficulty using it. I mean, literal children, have no difficulty using it.  If you're shaking your head about Android difficulty, that says more about you than it does about any supposed difficulties of Android.  Too much flexibility?  C'mon dude.  You can stick with a stock iOS setup and be happy.  It's still there.  Apple offering flexibility does mean you are forced to use any of the options.  For the people that want to use the options... that has nothing to do with you or your devices.  

iOS wouldn't be half as capable as it is if Apple followed your thinking.

In a couple of weeks I'm gonna set Edge and Outlook as defaults on one of my iPads to see if the change the feel of interacting with O365.  Setting Chrome as the browser on my other iPad once Google gets off their ass an updates it.  Really glad Apple has taken the baby steps of offering more user choices.

Rayz2016 said:

avon b7 said:

They are digging a bigger hole for themselves.

They claimed they were counterfeit Apple products. 

They clearly aren't. Not in packaging or content. 

Well, I thought the same way in the last thread, but I imagine they know the law better than you or me. 

They’re clearly not counterfeit Apple products. They’re products based on a stolen trademarked design. Just because they’ve worded it badly, doesn’t mean a crime hasn’t been committed. 

Why would you imagine they know the law better than you or me or anyone for that matter?  Dumb people get hired in critical positions all the time.  45.  Stolen trademarked design?  Based on what, the CBP's claim?  Hee hee.  They didn't word their claim badly, btw.  They claimed counterfeiting, got roasted for making an obviously bogus claim, and tried to save face by moving the goalpost to trademark violation.  BS, but par for the course.  When this gambit fails, they'll come with something else.  

Apple is staying far away from this turd.  They don't want any of that CBP stink rubbing off.  

indiekiduk said:

Apple have won patents on their design in both USA and Hong Kong that these clearly violate. I'm not sure if that makes them "counterfeit" but it certainly makes them illegal and seizable. 

Well, that's 100% wrong.  Patent violations have to be adjudicated in a court of law.  Patent violations are also immaterial in this situation.  The claim is counterfeiting... intentionally trying to misrepresent one item for another.  Clearly, 1+ was not doing that.  The CBP just made themselves look incompetent.  A simple google search by anyone in the chain of command could have avoided this.  

They are being rightfully and properly roasted on twitter.