Peza

MacPro said:

As many said, $12,000 for a reasonable entry machine, exactly the same as a maxed out Mac IIfx in 1990 or thereabouts.  I put ten of those in a single newspaper office along with postscript RIPs and scanners and Barco monitors.


I just said the same thing at the end of another long thread but worth repeating here as more relevant ...  I have to think Apple would have avoided a lot of the angst over the new Mac Pro's price  had it been named the Mac WorkStation or something like that and not Mac Pro, as many have said Apple's 'Pro' term is used for prosumer stuff these days.

Yeap, that’s exactly what you get for labelling a pair of earbuds and a phone ‘Pro’, when they are not Pro their n any way shape or form, just offer some extra features. The Mac Pro is a proper Pro device and is proved accordingly, but I agree Workstation would be a much better fit then ‘Pro’.

Still it’s an amazing machine and for Apple the starting value isn’t bad, when you consider the expandability it offers and the price of the base config iMac Pro’. Shame it seems the built in SSD storage is proprietary somehow and requires upgrading or replacing by Apple.

I have to say, ignoring any market price speculation, I think they are way off point with their iPhone 12 lineup predictions. Apple will be making a lower cost OLED 6.1” ‘non pro’ device at the very least. It would also no sense to have all these models called ‘Pro’ with different features bar the screen on one hand, and then a cheaper single ‘non pro’ iPhone in the other hand.

bobolicious said:

I really struggle trying to understand the internal dialogue of these people, who’s only purpose is to complain about every possible solution to their supposed problem. If he’s using a 10 year old machine currently all of his problems are entirely in his head, even the 5K iMac (or new mini as you said) would solve his computing problems. 

Apple doesn’t cater to DIY hobbyists, nor have they ever. Jobs hated slots:

https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Diagnostic_Port.txt

...these dudes need to find a solution that works for them (PCs) or admit they’ve just want to martyr themselves publicly. 

Or to put it another way, “Hell hath no fury like a faux nerd scorned.” 

I noted the last line of the folklore link: "much to the eventual benefit of customers, who didn't have to buy a whole new Mac to expand their memory"

I think that’s a point many in here will miss, Apple themselves have created this culture whereby they see Apple as ridiculously overpriced, ignoring its other devices, it’s computer memory options are silly for instance, they don’t make a single laptop that has upgradable RAM so instead massively over charge for it, it has nothing to do with ‘Pro’ and everything to do with profiteering, but we are all used to it by now, hopefully with a now decent keyboard the 16” MacBook Pro can put them on top again in the laptop market.
And when it comes to the iMac they make one model that’s RAM is easily upgradable. Personally I like the iMac Pro and think that’s your pro-sumer machine, it’s a good spec on the baseline model and makes a good second hand buy, I may get one someday.

I believe that’s why you have people cry out at the price of their stand, however as I stated the price of the stand is set as it is because that’s what the market will happily pay for it, this thread has examples of that. So in regards to it’s price they are just following suite, no doubt it’s well engineered, it’s an Apple product so will be.

I do find it funny with people complaining how the new Mac Pro is too expensive and too much for them so they complain endlessly..  that’s because they don’t for instance have Logic Pro with hundreds of tracks and layers and filters.. and make a living from music production. 

StrangeDays said:

svanstrom said:

Never would have guessed that I’d go from long term Apple fanboy to phasing out Apple products due to them sucking up to China and Russia. Crazy times. 

 spliff monkey said:

Jesus Christ. I’ve owned Apple computers since they were beige. I’ve had enough. Legitimately done. 

This is disgusting. What a topper to Kowtowing to China and fucking over Hong Kong protesters. 

I think this is the proverbial straw for me.  

Hope you aren’t planning to switching to Google — they did the same thing:

https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/27/apple-and-google-maps-accommodate-russias-annexation-of-crimea/

...because that’s the law in Russia, and they’re required to follow the law in the countries they do business in. Only other option is to pull out of Russia. Perhaps worth it, I don’t know. I’d love for them to give Putin the finger and exit Russia. But it’s silly to say Apple shouldn’t follow the law they’re currently compelled to follow if they wish to operate in Russia. 

Thanks I was going to post if anyone knew if Google did the same thing. These are corporations who want to maximise profits only, they will do that by kowtowing and selling their goods and services.
of course I’d swing it around and claim Apple should also abide by international tax laws too.. but the. That affects those profits so they have no problem ignoring those laws and electing to not recognise the legal bodies representing them, like the EU! 

sarrica said:

The last line ad hominem wasn't needed and undermines the rest of the article.

I agree, the first two thirds were a reasonable argument about Apple and the Pro market, but then it seemed to go completely off track talking about non Pro products in an attempt to justify the Pro market, which isn’t necessary. That last sentence just came across as a bit arrogant. It made the writer no better then those they are complaining about IMO.

The stand is well engineered no question, but the reason it costs a grand is because that’s the price Apple can get away with, because that’s the price the market will pay. Companies like RED will be making a killing in the mark up of their stands for instance, probably all made in China.