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  • Apple's 'M2' processor enters mass production for MacBook Pro


    Peza said:
    seanj said:
    For all those defending the "Everything Glued together & soldered together" assembly of the MacBooks by saying "Nobody ever upgraded a computer", Andrew just called bull!

    His biggest (only?) complaint about his M1 MacBook Air is that it can't meet his needs because it is frozen in time with what it came with when he bought it -- versus his MacPro which grew and developed with enhancements as his needs, wants and requirements grew.

    Likewise, my 9 year old i7 Thinkpad runs perfectly well and meets all of my needs -- because it's been upgraded to a 500Gb SSD, 16Gb Ram and an internal harddrive used for ongoing, real time backups.  Without those cheap and very simple to install (5 minutes or less) upgrades the machine would have been scrap
    Only a tiny percentage of people tinker with the computers, it’s a niche market that’s similar to those that add nitrous oxide to their cars...
    Most people just want a computer they can do things with, rather than do things to, in other words a consumer product. With Apple they get that, which is why customer satisfaction is so high.

    If you have a 9 year old Thinkpad then you’re probably either running XP (good luck browsing the Internet securely) or you’re running Linux. If it’s the latter then if you happy with a limited number of professional applications then that’s fine.
    Well considering it's global PC market share, many would say the Apple Mac computer is also a niche product and market.
    That's fine -- but the important thing you're missing is that this niche market is *not* the DIY crowd. Which is the point. It's an appliance computing model, and has been since Apple's early days when Jef Raskin wrote his bible for the original Mac, "Design Considerations for an Anthropophilic Computer" in 1979 (42 years ago!!):

    https://web.stanford.edu/dept/SUL/sites/mac/primary/docs/bom/anthrophilic.html

    This is an outline for a computer designed for the Person In The Street (or, to abbreviate: the PITS); one that will be truly pleasant to use, that will require the user to do nothing that will threaten his or her perverse delight in being able to say: “I don’t know the first thing about computers,” and one which will be profitable to sell, service and provide software for.

    You might think that any number of computers have been designed with these criteria in mind, but not so. Any system which requires a user to ever see the interior, for any reason, does not meet these specifications. There must not be additional ROMS, RAMS, boards or accessories except those that can be understood by the PITS as a separate appliance. For example, an auxiliary printer can be sold, but a parallel interface cannot. As a rule of thumb, if an item does not stand on a table by itself, and if it does not have its own case, or if it does not look like a complete consumer item in [and] of itself, then it is taboo.

    If the computer must be opened for any reason other than repair (for which our prospective user must be assumed incompetent) even at the dealer’s, then it does not meet our requirements.

    Seeing the guts is taboo. Things in sockets is taboo (unless to make servicing cheaper without imposing too large an initial cost). Billions of keys on the keyboard is taboo. Computerese is taboo. Large manuals, or many of them (large manuals are a sure sign of bad design) is taboo. Self- instructional programs are NOT taboo.

    There must not be a plethora of configurations. It is better to offer a variety of case colors than to have variable amounts of memory. It is better to manufacture versions in Early American, Contemporary, and Louis XIV than to have any external wires beyond a power cord.

    And you get ten points if you can eliminate the power cord.


    Firstly you are implying what is a niche market and what isn’t in your own personal opinion. And I don’t what the quote you’ve posted has to do with Apples global PC market share? All it talks about is how if you have to see the inside of a computer then it’s failed, well then using this logic every Mac Pro has been a failed design. I’m afraid Macs are not as this person wrote back in 1979. An awful lot of people have upgraded their Macs, which the quote fails to recognise, because they do not like paying Apples rip off pricing for memory etc which I’m sure this person advocates tremendously as it means more profit.
    in fact I couldn’t think of a quote anymore out of date then the one you posted.
    Still has nothing to do with niche markets and your comment though.
    muthuk_vanalingamwilliamlondon
  • Apple's 'M2' processor enters mass production for MacBook Pro

    Peza said:
    seanj said:
    For all those defending the "Everything Glued together & soldered together" assembly of the MacBooks by saying "Nobody ever upgraded a computer", Andrew just called bull!

    His biggest (only?) complaint about his M1 MacBook Air is that it can't meet his needs because it is frozen in time with what it came with when he bought it -- versus his MacPro which grew and developed with enhancements as his needs, wants and requirements grew.

    Likewise, my 9 year old i7 Thinkpad runs perfectly well and meets all of my needs -- because it's been upgraded to a 500Gb SSD, 16Gb Ram and an internal harddrive used for ongoing, real time backups.  Without those cheap and very simple to install (5 minutes or less) upgrades the machine would have been scrap
    Only a tiny percentage of people tinker with the computers, it’s a niche market that’s similar to those that add nitrous oxide to their cars...
    Most people just want a computer they can do things with, rather than do things to, in other words a consumer product. With Apple they get that, which is why customer satisfaction is so high.

    If you have a 9 year old Thinkpad then you’re probably either running XP (good luck browsing the Internet securely) or you’re running Linux. If it’s the latter then if you happy with a limited number of professional applications then that’s fine.
    Well considering it's global PC market share, many would say the Apple Mac computer is also a niche product and market.
    Using that logic, every manufacturer in the market is a niche.  Not a useful distinction.
    It is useful when you consider only a Mac runs Mac OS, and everything else runs Linus or Windows. Unless of course you build a hack Irish which again is a niche market.
    it's a fact, sorry if you don't like it. But single digit market share is a niche.
    williamlondonelijahgwatto_cobra
  • Apple's 'M2' processor enters mass production for MacBook Pro

    seanj said:
    For all those defending the "Everything Glued together & soldered together" assembly of the MacBooks by saying "Nobody ever upgraded a computer", Andrew just called bull!

    His biggest (only?) complaint about his M1 MacBook Air is that it can't meet his needs because it is frozen in time with what it came with when he bought it -- versus his MacPro which grew and developed with enhancements as his needs, wants and requirements grew.

    Likewise, my 9 year old i7 Thinkpad runs perfectly well and meets all of my needs -- because it's been upgraded to a 500Gb SSD, 16Gb Ram and an internal harddrive used for ongoing, real time backups.  Without those cheap and very simple to install (5 minutes or less) upgrades the machine would have been scrap
    Only a tiny percentage of people tinker with the computers, it’s a niche market that’s similar to those that add nitrous oxide to their cars...
    Most people just want a computer they can do things with, rather than do things to, in other words a consumer product. With Apple they get that, which is why customer satisfaction is so high.

    If you have a 9 year old Thinkpad then you’re probably either running XP (good luck browsing the Internet securely) or you’re running Linux. If it’s the latter then if you happy with a limited number of professional applications then that’s fine.
    Well considering it's global PC market share, many would say the Apple Mac computer is also a niche product and market.
    williamlondonGeorgeBMacbaconstangelijahg
  • Apple's 'M2' processor enters mass production for MacBook Pro

    Will be interested to see how it performs, and if it runs Starcraft 2 better.
    watto_cobra
  • EU to charge Apple over anti-competitive App Store fees this week

    Well as this is the same EU who are going to sue AstraZeneca for not shipping its Covid vaccine on time, the one that they are refusing to actually use and have millions stockpiled in warehouses doing nothing, whilst they are locking down their countries.
    Then I won't pay much attention to what their legal systems do anymore, they are a total joke waste of space.
    bshankgeorgie01watto_cobra