AppleSince1976

citpeks said:

crowley said:

So no, there is no car where you have to forcibly remove a seal to access anything.  There are some places where you might need to replace something to do a very particular task.  Pretty different.

And in any case, car manufacturers also being shitty doesn't make Apple any less shitty.

You asked for examples, and yet chose to ignore the ones that were provided.

The fact of the matter is that the disassembly and repair of products that were not designed to be user-serviceable often involve sacrificial elements in the due course of such procedures.

If those, including yourself, have ever picked up a tool, and made such repairs, you would be able to comprehend and acknowledge that fact.

It's clearly evident that you, and others who like to argue these points, have not, and only like to argue for argument's sake and ignore the facts.

That's your prerogative, but don't expect any respect from those who actually have done it, not just talk about it, in an ignorant fashion.

crowley said:

AppleSince1976 said:

crowley said:

AppleSince1976 said:

crowley said:

AppleSince1976 said:

crowley said:

AppleSince1976 said:

You will note that the adhesive that Apple used is a non-hardening, reusable (with care) pressure-sensitive type. It was not don to thwart access, or to make something non-repairable; but rather because Apple, like many companies, generally dislike the look of exposed fasteners.

Name a single other Apple computer product where this is the case.

Only all of them, since the Lisa.

False.  Every MacBook I've ever owned has had exposed screws on the outside.  The iMacs I've had haven't had screws, but have been accessible without any breakage or waste product.  Certainly every Mac Pro has been very easily accessible.  And from my knowledge of the Mac mini, that's been the case there too, via the bottom disk which screws out in some manner.

As I said to the other guy we're talking about access from the externals chassis to the internals, not specific replacement of particular internals.

You are right about the MacBooks, and the Mac Pro is absolutely designed to be opened up.

But both the iMac (all aluminum models) and original Mac mini have no visible case fasteners (iMac and mini’s Screwtop RAM Doors notwithstanding). I seem to remember some adventure getting to the fasteners on my Bondi iMac and my eMac, too.

So, no, it isn’t every Mac since the Lisa; but, suffice it to say, many Apple computers have had non-obvious ways of gaining entry to the innards.

Bottom line: The Mac Studio’s stick-on ring (that is easily and non-destuctively removed and replaced) is 100% equivalent to using stick-on feet used to hide the initial disassembly fasteners on literally millions of consumer products.

I have been an electronic repair tech. You are absolutely out to lunch on this one. Give it up!

Nope.   I disagree.  The stick-on-ring is unnecessary and mind numbingly stupid.  It's the underside of the unit, the screws should absolutely be exposed, just like on many other Macs (including Macs where you're far more likely to see the underside), there is no need at all to cover them and require a removal that is likely destructive to access the internals.  It's an actively hostile and provocative design choice.

If other manufacturers have done similar things then they're also stupid, I don't accept that as an excuse.

How in TF is pulling off a rubber ring “…likely destructive to access the internals.”?

Listen: Gently use a hair dryer on Low a little to soften the adhesive before using the guitar pick to pry up the Rubber Ring, if the adhesive is too strong for you. The ring will come right off! And go right back on, provided you don’t wash it in the sink, use it to de-fuzz your pants or groom your cat, or spray it with WD-40…

tl;dr

Nothing to see here; move along.

Un-nec-ess-ary.

DavidEsrati said:

This computer would never have made it to daylight if Jony Ive was still at Apple.

Ports- plenty of them- even in the front? Unbelievable.
Looks like it can cool itself- and isn't a funky shape that no one knows what to do with- ie Cube or Trash Can Mac Pro.

Still not upgradeable- no slots- while every PC in this price range can and does do both.

I'm waiting on one. We'll see what it runs like when it shows up.

michelb76 said:

A lot of red flags in that interview, oh my.

DavidEsrati said:

This computer would never have made it to daylight if Jony Ive was still at Apple.

Ports- plenty of them- even in the front? Unbelievable.
Looks like it can cool itself- and isn't a funky shape that no one knows what to do with- ie Cube or Trash Can Mac Pro.

Still not upgradeable- no slots- while every PC in this price range can and does do both.

I'm waiting on one. We'll see what it runs like when it shows up.