Detnator

danox said:

hammeroftruth said:

Detnator said:

Meanwhile all these people (including you) complaining about lack of height adjustment...?  Seems just a "let's bash Apple for the sake of it" moment again.  Apple has never had height adjustment on any of its monitors or iMacs in 20+ years. Where's all the backlash about that?  Not a peep from anyone about it, ever, in all those years, until now, when Apple finally does offer it (albeit an optional premium version of it at an optional premium price). Suddenly it's an essential feature that Apple are criminal for not including in the box.  What a joke.

A lot of people miss phone books right about now. This is what I used to see when I was a technician, Apple monitors and iMacs on phone books. I’m just glad that Apple didn’t think about reviving the easel stand like they did with the original cinema display. 

The bottom line that everyone should think about is that, whether you like the new monitor or not, Apple is back in the consumer monitor business. Let’s hope they stay there even if this model doesn’t sell well. 

The Apple Studio display is the basically the only quality 5k 27” monitor at that price range, the only other monitor the 6k 30” Apple XDR is the only other one if you care about color accuracy, build, fit, finish and resale value after 2 or 3 years. B&H has other monitors that are literally in the stratosphere and they are also designed to be color accurate and they are priced accordingly.

If you are a game-boy these monitors are not for you…

The cliché you get what you pay for is true my vacuum and chair problems went away after buying a Dyson and a Aeon chair it has been over 12 years for both.

Most of items Apple makes cost more, but generally have a long life, resale value due to the higher quality materials used, fit, finish, and the software (OS) inside them.

Well said.  Nice analogy to Dyson and Aeon.  I've had the same experience with Dyson vacuums -- and a couple of other Dyson products also.  Yes, they cost more, but they deliver more as well.  So does this Display.. as with most of Apple's products (some ... mistakes ... notwithstanding, but this display isn't one of them).

hammeroftruth said:

Detnator said:

Meanwhile all these people (including you) complaining about lack of height adjustment...?  Seems just a "let's bash Apple for the sake of it" moment again.  Apple has never had height adjustment on any of its monitors or iMacs in 20+ years. Where's all the backlash about that?  Not a peep from anyone about it, ever, in all those years, until now, when Apple finally does offer it (albeit an optional premium version of it at an optional premium price). Suddenly it's an essential feature that Apple are criminal for not including in the box.  What a joke.

A lot of people miss phone books right about now. This is what I used to see when I was a technician, Apple monitors and iMacs on phone books. I’m just glad that Apple didn’t think about reviving the easel stand like they did with the original cinema display. 

The bottom line that everyone should think about is that, whether you like the new monitor or not, Apple is back in the consumer monitor business. Let’s hope they stay there even if this model doesn’t sell well. 

Judging by the availability and wait time for these, I don't think Apple is having any problems selling them so far.

Agreed, that easel thing wasn't great.

lewchenko said:

It’s a huge disappointment, and frankly I expected way better from Apple. 

5K retina style does look awesome and that’s all this screen has going for it. Whether that’s worth £1600 is another matter. 

The price gauging for a decent stand that any other monitor would come with by default is just an insult and poor design.  

And then there is all the problems with the camera and hardwired plug. Why Apple Why ? All we needed was a screen !

Apple basically engineered in problems to this screen and then decided to charge even more for it than the out going model. 

60hz is a disappointment but I get the technical limitations at this resolution. 

Umm... You'r'e contradicting yourself.

For one: "All we needed was a screen."  But you want a fancy height adjustable stand in the box as well.  So not just a screen.

Needless to say, there are a bazillion (just) "screen" options on the market already. We don't need another one of those. What we needed from Apple was something more and better.  And that's what this is.  And about time.

Other monitor stands suck.  Wobbly, misaligned, etc. We most certainly don't need another one of those. Apple has never tried to compete with "suck".  If you want a cheaper lesser but height adjustable stand then get the VESA mount option and but a $50 VESA compatible monitor stand from ... well ... just about anywhere.  Apple gave us choices. 

Camera problems are a software issue. You're just looking for things to nitpick. Apple is fixing that, at no extra charge (as they should).

Apple engineered in good solutions to the problems that other monitors have.  If you're ok with those problems that other monitors have then get one of those.  If one problem you're not ok with is 4K (you want 5K instead) then there's LG's 5K -- with a similar panel, but a crappy, wobbly, height adjustable stand, just like you want. And for $700 less (counting Apple's stand).

I don't see engineered problems in Apple's display.  But I see them in your comment.

entropys said:

I so wanted this display but given its documented problems and price I think I will have to settle for the 4K Dell ultrasharp with a USBc dock for home use. 27 or 32 inches and both have fully adjustable stands.

it uses an LG display with new IPS technology that greatly improves contrast, and it is 500 nits. I can get two 27s for the price of one of these studio displays, and that is before buying an adjustable stand.

I searched Dell's site.  The sheer number of 27" 4K monitors is ridiculous to say the least, but in all of those options, they don't seem to make anything that's more than 350 nits (except one I found is 350 nits typical and 1000nits HDR but it's twice the price of this ASD).

What Dell 4K monitor is 500 nits?

saarek said:

It’s a 6 year old LG ultrafine display in a much nicer overall package.

I was seriously looking forward to this display, had hoped to pick one up, but I’m not going to and for me it’s all because of the lack of height adjustment as standard.

Such a shame they decided to not include tilt and height adjustment as standard, £400 extra just to change the height when most monitors put there have it by default is just crazy to me. My £600 LG has it, why does the £1600 Apple display need to cost an extra £400 for this basic functionality?

Because it's not just basic functionality.  Your £600 LG has a wobbly, sticky, etc. height adjustment, compared with the insane engineering in Apple's height adjust stands that address those issues. Sure, for most people that's a solution to a problem they don't think is a problem... So it's GOOD that Apple didn't put their $400 stand in the box and charge everyone for it.

For those who want height adjustment for a lot less than $400 there are a bazillion VESA stands that do it at every price point.  So get the VESA mount ASD and one of those.  And for those of us who want a height adjustable stand that doesn't suck, $400 is worth it.

This way, everyone's taken care of at every price point.

Meanwhile all these people (including you) complaining about lack of height adjustment...?  Seems just a "let's bash Apple for the sake of it" moment again.  Apple has never had height adjustment on any of its monitors or iMacs in 20+ years. Where's all the backlash about that?  Not a peep from anyone about it, ever, in all those years, until now, when Apple finally does offer it (albeit an optional premium version of it at an optional premium price). Suddenly it's an essential feature that Apple are criminal for not including in the box.  What a joke.