sirdir

dewme said:

This level of micromanagement is insane. Do these EU regulators have nothing at all to do other than to constantly harass Apple? 

tmay said:

williamh said:

dewme said:

This level of micromanagement is insane. Do these EU regulators have nothing at all to do other than to constantly harass Apple? 

Aren't those guys the ones who want all phones to use the same sort of charging cable?

The EU's first pass, prior to USB Type C, was Micro USB. Apple complied with a 2 gram adaptor. Apple also complied prior to the deadline, for USB Type C.

Please note, now consumers have to navigate all of the variations of USB Type C cables, from basic charging to USB 4 Gen 3, 40 mbps/240W.

davidw said:

sirdir said:

red oak said:

rax_mark said:

The EU, unlike the US, believes in the spirit of the law, instead of the word of the law, Apple should have realised that.

Apple cannot win this one by using legal loopholes. I suspect if this continues we may see one of two possibilities:-

I) Apple exits the EU.

II) The EU bans Apple within its borders.

I suspect Apple doesn't want to give up the European market to Samsung and Google, so the first one is highly dependent on whether Apple can still get a profit with side loading existing.

Also, it is possible that other countries implement a DMA equivalent law (Japan is already in the process of doing so) so exiting markets will be shooting themselves in the foot.

One thing is sure, the next decade will be different for Apple than the previous one.

Spoken like a true socialist

Apple opened up the browser, NFC, and allows game streaming apps.  And, allows distributions of apps outside of the App Store - do you think Apple should get zero compensation for that? 

Laws are written.  Apple followed every letter of the law 

They should get as much say in what is installed and paid as much as Microsoft gets paid when I install a Program outside the store on my PC or as much as Apple gets paid when I install a mac App outside the App Store. Free our devices from the tyranny of Apple (only mildly exaggerating)

Aren't you being the tyrant (not exaggerating at all)  by demanding others do with their IP, as you want them to do? Who are you to demand that Apple should not be paid by others, for the commercial use of their IP, because that's the way you want it to be? 

The reason why Microsoft is not being paid (by you) every time you install software on to a PC with Windows is because that's the way Microsoft wants it. Not because it's the way you want it to be. Microsoft already made their money by selling licenses to use Windows on a PC. Either you paid for that license by buying a retail version of Windows or by buying a PC with Windows already installed, (where the PC vendors paid for the Windows license.) And even if you pirated a copy of Windows for a home built PC, the software developers are paying Microsoft for a license to develop for Windows. So Microsoft is being "paid", even if you don't know it. That's Microsoft business model with Windows. Microsoft do not make money from the sale of the hardware. But they want Windows on as many computers as possible.

Apple Mac operates nearly under the same business model. It has to to compete with PC's. Though Apple no longer charge for MacOS (OSX) because they make money selling the Mac hardware. A MacOS (OSX) only comes with Mac. and whether you're the original purchaser or not, it's owning a Mac that gets you the license for MacOS (OSX). This because of the way Apple has it, not because it's the way you want it.

Google Android business model  is like that for a computer because that's how Google wants it. With Android, you might not think you're "paying" to sideload on you your device but Google is getting "paid". Google is after your (and every ones) personal data and using Android makes it much easier for them to mine it. The more mobile users on Android, the more Google is getting "paid", whether you know it or not.

It's up to Apple to choose the business model they want for iOS, on their mobile devices, not you. Apple do not make money selling iOS to third party mobile device makers or to any Apple device owners. Nor is it Apple business model to mine customers personal data to profit from targeted advertising. Apple make their money by selling devices with iOS installed. Apple is not using iOS to compete in the OS market. They are using iOS to compete in the mobile device market. So Apple business model to use iOS to  attract consumers to purchase Apple devices. Apple do not consider their mobile devices as "PC's", no more than Microsoft consider their game console as a "PC". Microsoft has control of all the software that can be installed on to an Xbox and you are not in any position to say what Microsoft gets paid for software installed on to an Xbpx.

So who are you to demand that Apple has to treat their iOS, that same way they treat their MacOS or the same way Microsoft treat Windows or the same way Google treat Android? The EU? 

 BTW- speaking of the EU and tyrants, it wasn't that long ago that many EU countries were  still ruled by tyrants. This before the EU of course. Or before they joined the EU. 

Maybe its still in many EU countries DNA.