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Detnator said:

Zeebler said:

appleuserr95 said:

Tim Sweeney is the devil. He wants to use apples devices for free. Maybe he should develop his own device that he can sell on. or go to Walmart and ask to sell his products in all their stores for free. totally with apple.

They aren’t Apple’s devices once they are purchased by customers. We don’t rent the products. 

This would be the same as a car manufacturer only allowing it to be fuelled at gas stations owned by them. Charging other cars a 30% premium to fill at their stations.  Voiding the warranty and bricking the vehicle if they fill up at a different station. 

It’s a monopoly. Pure and simple. We don’t allow these sorts of monopolies for numerous reasons. 

If Apple was only making an insanely gross amount of money from this model - no problem. But they are rolling in astronomical insanity amounts of cash and the most valuable company in the history of the world. 

The lawsuit isn’t going Apple’s way - not even close. The judge has already stated she doesn’t buy Apple’s arguments at all. There is a good article on Forbes about it. 

I am willing to take the risk of installing my own software - just like I have on my Mac for 30 years with no problems. I’m an adult, I can make my own decisions. I don’t need Apple telling me what to do with my property. And it is my property. I buy it, I maintain it, I insure it, it’s mine. I can glue diamonds to it and sell it for more if I want, I can drop it from a bridge to watch it smash. Apple holds the rights to the OS and patents on the tech, that’s it. They shouldn’t have the right to tell me what I can and can’t do with it and how I use it and when. 

They aren’t going to win this. 

To you and everyone else with this idiotic “it’s my device” argument…  

Yep, It’s your device, sure. And as long as you don’t use any of the firmware, OS, and software that are Apple’s IP and NOT yours then sure, you can do whatever you like with it. 

It makes a pretty good paperweight. In exactly the right conditions it can almost work as a mirror. 

The car and fuel analogy is fallacious. 

You’re free to charge the device with any electricity you want from any vendor and Apple doesn’t get a cut  of any of that. 

You can not operate a car without the fuel. You can operate an iPhone without paying anyone anything for apps beyond those that come loaded with it, plus countless free apps that are funded by ad revenue, or subscriptions paid outside the Ap Store (eg. Netflix) that Apple gets nothing from. 

Car fuel isn’t a service, it’s entirely a product. The App Store, iOS, and the entire ecosystem, are services that require maintenance and keep improving with R&D. 

Car fuel doesn’t rely on the car manufacturer’s intellectual property in any way. Nearly everything on an iDevice relies on Apple’s IP. 

And more. 

Apple has every right to limit what you or anyone else (consumers and devs) do with their intellectual property. 

When you buy an iPhone and start it up you are presented with an agreement that says if you want to use Apple’s IP (iOS, the firmware within the hardware, etc.) you need to agree to certain terms, that are almost entirely about Apple protecting their IP - which they have every right to do.  

If you don’t like the terms, no problem, you can decline the agreement, keep the device without running anything on it and use it as a paperweight, or return it to Apple for a full refund no questions asked. 

It’s not the iPhone App Store. It’s the iOS App Store. If you want to install anything you want from any source onto a device running iOS, you might have to successfully negotiate the ownership rights of iOS, (and the firmware, proprietary chips, etc) in the iOS device with Apple. I’m sure it will only cost you a trillion dollars or so. 

This.

You own the hardware. You don't own the software. You are licensing the software from Apple to use on the device. Read the ToS when you set it up.

You don't get to dictate to Apple what their software can and can't do. If you don't like what the software does, use different software.

The government has no business forcing a private company to change their business model because a vocal minority of people want them to. 

Apple is not a monopoly.

Apple has broken no laws.

Developers and users are free to switch platforms at any time if they don't like the way Apple does things.

The government does not exist to force your every little wish and desire on others. This is a huge overstep and should not be allowed to proceed. If this law gets passed, it will be challenged all the way to the Supreme Court and I hope that the conservative leaning court smacks it down.