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Also, this is more than being about the 3000 jobs. Consider GPUs. Right now, discrete GPUs are exclusively made in Asia. Samsung and TSMC are the only companies that fab Nvidia and AMD GPUs. But Nvidia and AMD doesn't just sell the fabbed chip to OEMs and end consumers. They sell the fabbed chips to third parties like Asus, PNY, Zotac, MSI who builds the equivalent for CPU motherboards for them that includes the GPU. (Nvidia Founders Edition is where Nvidia builds their own boards with their own GPUs and charges a premium for them. AMD doesn't do this.) Right now most GPU boards are manufactured in Asia - because that is where the fabs are - and shipped here. But when Intel starts making their own GPUs in this facility - and Nvidia comes along for the ride - then it will make sense for GPU board manufacturers to set up shop nearby.  And of course, Foxconn makes a lot of GPU boards (they have - or had - their own branded line and also as a white box manufacturer for others). So we may actually see that largely idle Foxconn facility in Wisconsin begin to make GPUs.

If Intel is able to get Qualcomm's business: more of the same. Instead of fabbing the chip in Ohio, shipping it to Taiwan to make the component for the fabbed chip and then shipping it back, there is a real chance that the component manufacturers will open factories in America to build the components closer to where they are fabbed if for no reason other than to reduce shipping delays and the number of chips that get damaged while shipping (the chips are rather fragile until they reach their "final form" manufactured stage). 

So, the only way that anyone can see this as a bad deal is if you have the idea that, well, America shouldn't have manufacturing jobs. Even if you believe that Apple Silicon is going to ultimately result in the death of x86 - I am done explaining the many reasons why this isn't true because fanboys are going to believe what they choose to, just like every sports fan believes that their team is going to win the World Cup/Stanley Cup/World Series etc. I guess - then this will allow Intel to become a leading fabricator for the ARM vendors that remain instead of just letting all that business go to TSMC, Samsung and China's UMC and SMIC. 

GeorgeBMac said:

foregoneconclusion said:

FYI: this is happening in part because $52 billion in federal support for the chip industry was passed by Congress and signed into law. Intel will be getting a grant from the U.S. government as part of the funding. 

Plus a billion dollars from the state of Ohio.

So who exactly is building this plant?  

But, that's OK.   We need to invest in ourselves, our own country, if we want to keep up.   The last 3 decades of austerity have caused us to fall behind in many areas -- not just chips.

It's a wise use of money:   That $52billion came from not having to throw away a billion dollars a week in Afghanistan.  What did that buy us ?

The $52 billion hasn't been passed yet (opposition for various reasons in the House). When it does it is more likely to go to smaller fabs (Texas Instruments, Micron, Tower) instead of Intel.

foregoneconclusion said:

FYI: this is happening in part because $52 billion in federal support for the chip industry was passed by Congress and signed into law. Intel will be getting a grant from the U.S. government as part of the funding. 

Only passed the Senate. Hasn't passed the House or been signed. Being built in order to implement this roadmap - https://www.anandtech.com/show/16823/intel-accelerated-offensive-process-roadmap-updates-to-10nm-7nm-4nm-3nm-20a-18a-packaging-foundry-emib-foveros - which their current facilities are incapable of so it was going to happen anyway. Also, Intel is going to become a contract manufacturer and try to pull Qualcomm, Nvidia and others from TSMC and are going to need the extra capacity to accommodate it.

ravnorodom said:

Everyone is jumping on the wagon. Let see who will be first. Let me guess...... Samssssssssuuuuuu.....Nah.

Samsung isn't a software company like Microsoft, Facebook and Google, doesn't have a successful operating system like Apple, isn't a gaming company like Sony and as a result doesn't have a platform. They tried with Tizen and it failed, with Tizen now relegated to being an IoT platform for their smart appliances. Their best bet will be to lay low for now and in a couple of years make a platform-independent set of goggles capable of accessing other platforms. It isn't as if Microsoft, Google and Facebook are going to tell Samsung "no." The former already has a multi-billion dollar partnership agreement with Samsung to promote their apps and services on Samsung hardware (to the tune of some 300 million phones and 25 million tablets a year) and reciprocates with an app that connects and mirrors a Samsung phone to a Windows 10/11 PC. The latter two do not have the brand name, supply chain, retail agreements etc. to manufacture, ship and promote a product all over the globe. Google has been making Nexus and Pixel devices for over a decade and they still have limited availability outside North America and western Europe (along with frequent supply problems). And all of Facebook's attempts to make hardware - phone, watch, smart display - except Oculus have been failures, which is probably the reason for the rebrand. Samsung sold Galaxy VR glasses in the previous decade, but they supported Oculus, not Google's Cardboard or Daydream (this was in the era when Google and Samsung were squabbling) and was a huge reason why Cardboard/Daydream failed. 

macxpress said:

And how many of the 31% are free tier Spotify users? As is the case with a lot of areas, Apple isn't the top of the market share, but they are where it counts, which is revenue/profits. 

Actually Spotify has 172 million paid subscribers. If this included "free tier" users then the obvious winner would be YouTube and its billions. But since it is only paid users, then YouTube Music only has 50 million subscribers, putting it behind Spotify, Apple Music, Tencent and Amazon (though it DID have 50% growth the last 12 months and is the fastest growing of the services: https://variety.com/2022/music/news/streaming-music-growth-worldwide-youtube-spotify-apple-1235156594/).