PauloSeraa

Amazingly, it's the first product Apple has ever introduced that no one actually wants to use. Oh, some people want the experience it unlocks, for sure. But no one actually wants to use the product...they will use it in spite of it. No one actually wants a gigantic, heavy, nausea-inducing, world-isolating headset. Not for anything. And certainly not for what amounts to an iPad strapped to their head. So every single user will be someone who is putting up with that awful hardware in order to get access to an interesting software experience. What kind of potential does that actually have?

I feel like Apple is doing an awful lot of pretending here. And those championing the product are too. Riding the coattails of other confident successes where Apple was right to be confident. There are seeing if they can actually fake the confidence, and create a market as a result. I just don't see it, because you will never fake people into spending $3500+, and you won't fake them into wearing it for any length of time.

No one ever looked at the iPhone and said, "Ugh I have to hold this thing in order to use it?" 
No one ever looked at the Apple Watch and said "Ugh I have to wear this thing in order to use it?"
No one ever looked at the HomePod and said "Ugh I have to plug this thing in and put it out of the way somewhere in order to use it?"
No one ever looked at the AppleTV and said "Ugh I have to plug this thing into my TV and watch it?"

These are not objectionable products. The VisionPro is objectionable hardware from the start. People in the microscopic VR community seem to take for granted that shitty uncomfortable hardware is to be expected if you want such an experience. That shouldn't be acceptable to Apple, because it certainly isn't acceptable to average consumers.

chasm said:

I’d rate this as “very doubtful” — although having essentially an iPhone 14 for an iPhone SE price would be lovely, the costs you point out would mean the SE would be a) larger, which is not really what the audience for it wants, and b) more expensive, which the audience for this REALLY doesn’t want.

A “value” iPhone should be as small and cheap as Apple can make it. It makes it affordable, and once they have an iPhone it’s probably just a matter of time before they upgrade to the full-size iPhones.

The SE is about a cheap iPhone. The market has failed to demonstrate that it wants a small iPhone, no matter how much internet blog followers say so.

On the face of it, it seems pretty aggressive for Apple to pack all of that into a new SE, even if it doesn't launch for another year. In reality, they are all ancient features that should have trickled down to this price point by now anyway.

Expectations are high for M3 because of moving to 3nm. If M3 performance doesn't meet with people's expectations (realistic or not), then sales will certainly be impacted.

M3 needs better GPU performance, Thunderbolt 5, and improved battery life all at the same time if its going to motivate anyone to upgrade from M1.

How many times do people have to be told that every ridiculous law you support sets a precedent for what they can get away with, and future laws will be even more ridiculous as a result?

The EU is utterly batshit.