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Far too expensive and clunky at this early stage unfortunately, but fingers crossed they keep at it. I’d definitely buy a more consumer oriented Apple Vision if it came down to the price of a MacBook/iPhone and particularly if it could be readily adjusted for use by more than one family member. Gaming / photos / TV / movie / concert / music are big the drawcards for my household of three, but the other application based use cases they’ve built into AVP software from the get go look pretty handy. An AppleTV 4K stereo paired with two HomePods is our only TV and it is used daily as a family hub for music, film/tv, workouts & photos. A MacBook Air and an iPad with AirPod Pro II’s for my wife and I (and wired AirPods for our daughter) plus a PS5 controller are the supplementary device set ups if someone is using the TV. We do read books and watch stuff together but the reality is that in an everyday working family like ours, someone always wants a bit of ‘me time’ to zone out and game (daughter), watch a TV series or movie that no one else wants to watch, is too noisy or scary/adult for kids, etc, and so they grumble and shuffle off with a MacBook/iPad and AirPods for a second rate small screen experience. Considering their huge investment into film and TV series’, it has frustrated me for years how Apple doesn’t put more resources into their larger AppleTV ecosystem as well as the gaming community which now absolutely dwarves the film industry by many billions of dollars. How awesome could it be if they mastered Apple Vision and the Apple TV ecosystem including gaming (not to mention finally improving the ram and graphics functionality in Macs for gamers). Who knows but it’s definitely in the realm of possibility… 

Xed said:

jdw said:

Finally!  And I hope I never hear about that ridiculous "Apple Car" again.  It never made any sense for a computer and mobile phone maker to get into the car space.  It's a completely different sort of thing altogether, and that would have made the company "too diverse."  I think it would have harmed Apple in the end, so good riddance.  No doubt they'll glean money off all the patents they filed in the years to come.  That's enough.

1) That's the same argument I heard when Apple started making MP3 players, and then again when it was rumored they were making a cellphone.

2) You really don't see how a tech company could make a vehicle like a Tesla or Rivian?

I’d never want a Tesla or a Rivian. Drive by wire, sketchy reliability, cobalt mining, a-hole CEO, etc. New vehicles are just an expensive extension of our fragile egos - give me a reliable second hand Toyota hybrid any day.

Was interested in an AVP initially but have gone off the idea. It’s another Newton 2000 (I had one!); a cool idea in theory but really overpriced, clunky and of limited use. For the price of a AVP you could buy an iPhone 16, an M3 MacBook Air and an Apple Watch 10, or a stunning 77” TV!

Social media can F off. Was initially fun to connect with current and old friends but it’s now more shite than reality TV. Pretty simple if you don’t want to get ripped off: Two factor authentication, don’t share passwords among services, don’t save bank cards online, only transfer what you need for any given online purchase onto a ‘burner’ card, don’t acknowledge calls or emails involving money or that are purportedly from your ‘bank’ or investment portfolio.

Great that Apple has a decent lifecycle for audio products. Meaningful upgrades are so much better for consumers than incremental hardware updates every year - I wish they would extend the cycle for Macs, iPhone's and watches as it’s ridiculous how the latest and greatest mobile and wearable computing gear is outdated in one calendar year. That said, an improved AppleTV is well overdue!