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StrangeDays said:

melgross said:

The interesting thing about this is when inflation is accounted for, this isn’t exceptionally expensive. My Quadra 950 from late 1992 had a base price of about $6,000.  No video card, no CD player, no keyboard.  The keyboard was about $300. The upgrade from the 160MB hdd to the much better 320MB cost another $300. It came with a lot of ram though—8MB, and 16 slots, which I filled for another $3,600. The 2x speed CD player I bought was about $600.

The NEC Multisync 21”monitor, I forget the model number, was $3,200. The Radius graphics card I bought (the computer used the CPU for graphics, with 1MB installed, and for 24 bit color, you could get another 1MB simm) cost around $3,750.

so let’s add those costs and translate into today’s dollars.

so, that would be around $15,000, back then. As of the end of 2018, the latest full year inflation numbers I can get, would be around $27,500.

This is correct. The whiners of today have little appreciation for how much more meaningful computing power they are getting for so much less. These DIY tinkerers just see what they can build a crummy Windows box full of commodity off-the-shelf parts for and pretend they're the same thing.

MacPro said:

melgross said:

madan said:

I'm not trying to make it hard on anyone.  But I am trying to clear things up so people know what they're getting into.  Buyers remorse sucks.  It would be a shame to spend 8k on a computer and find out that it competes unfavorably with a 5k iMac Pro.

Except that other in your own mind, it doesn’t.

He seems convinced for sure.  This is all relative to wants, needs, and budget. Saying as a base model it doesn't compete favorably with an iMac Pro is nonsensical to me since the new Mac Pro isn't one thing it is a configurable beast that may well suffice for a few years as a base model but then be transformed into something else.  No so an iMac of any kind.

Soli said:

madan said:

Remember that it's 5999 PLUS TAX and Apple Care.  With those additions, that computer almost hits 7000.  If you upgrade the RAM yourself and the storage (the measly 256 GB) yourself, you're looking at another 500 dollars MORE.  And that's BEFORE you even look at a real graphics card.  The Mac Pro's 580 is only 30% faster than the AMD APUs in higher level 3400Gs.  30% over integrated graphics isn't "powerful".  So by the time you sink another 1000+ in a Vega 2 card, you're looking at least 8500 dollars (probably closer to 9000).

And even then, you could build a Mac with 90% that performance for a quarter of the price.

What a weird statement within a thread of your weird statements. It's bad enough that you state "PLUS TAX" at all but then you put it in all caps as if this is some hidden Apple Tax that no other vendor has to apply to a purchases.

StrangeDays said:

madan said:

Luckily I live in a free country and I'm going to give advice anyways.  Judging from the replies from several posters in this thread, they may have the money to spend on this device but they certainly don't know what they're getting by buying it.

Inversely, besides not having the money for this kind of computer you likely also don't have the knowledge of why people like Macs and prefer them to cheaper DIY boxes. Hint: your point of "But I could build one for less!" has been argued perhaps ten thousand times on this very website. You have introduced zero new information. 

As for rights, no one has claimed you don't have the right to spout nonsense. Certainly it's your right to troll us with this very old trope, it just isn't very meaningful.

StrangeDays said:

madan said:

At its 6000 USD base price tag, the computer is a joke. [...]

You could build a DIY computer with pretty much identical performance for less than 1500 dollars.  No, I'm not kidding.  .

Not kidding, just ignorant. Please post your $1500 DIY version of equal performance. Then add additional cost for assembly, and support, which your DIY model doesn't have.