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Apple's iPad Pro beating Microsoft Surface in 'detachable' tablet market
1) There are no real changes to the software between a surface and a surface PRO. No real software changes between a MacBook and a MacBook PRO. PRO just means bigger or more powerful. Much in the same way that AIR means lighter and thinner. You know, like the iPad AIR or the MacBook AIR. Not to mention mini meaning smaller. Like the Mac MINI or the iPad MINI or the iPod MINI before the nano came out.atlapple said:
Sure there are plenty of jobs that don't require heavy duty coding, however I fundamentally have a problem with Apple calling devices "Pro" models without any real changes to the software. While some may disagree iOS hasn't really changed much over the last few years, it still lacks even a decent or basic file system. Whats the point of having an iPad with specs as good as a Macbook yet can't take advantage of the same software? I have a 12.9 iPad Pro and I use it often but rarely for anything related to work.sog35 said:Do you have any facts to back up that bold statement?
There are many industries and jobs that don't require heavy duty coding and graphic programs: Doctors, Nurses, Teachers, Police, Drivers, Accountants, ect.
Even those that use Photoshop won't use an iPad Pro over a Mac because the software is nothing more than a dumbed down version. The days of Apple being able to get away with simply changing the size of something or making it thinner are over or haven't you noticed AAPL this week?
If Apple is going to tag something as a "Pro" model then IMHO it needs to be running OS X not iOS.
I know people are going to say "Apple will never run OS X on an iPad. Yeah Apple was also never going too make a bigger iPhone, the iPad was never going to be bigger than 9.7 in or smaller for that matter. There is nothing stopping Apple from running OS X on an iPad Pro. At least then people will truly have a laptop alternative.
As someone that is an engineer I'm always looking for parity. If the hardware is getting faster and the hardware specs are getting better, if the software isn't maturing at the same rate then it's a waste.
Also you kind of proved my point. The industries you mentioned, there aren't any of them that have mass adoption of the iPad over traditional laptops. Any Police car I have seen always has a laptop in it, daughter is a Nurse and Wife has been in education for over 15 years, not an iPad to be found.
2) Apple's never going to run OS X on an iPad because iOS is simply more popular with far better/more third party support, already optimized for touch, gives apple the level of control that they've always wanted, runs on a thimble, and, if anything, we'll see an ios-based desktop machine before we see an OS X tablet. You're essentially expecting apple play the weaker hand, simply because a bunch of people that are continually wrong, say they should. Does not compute.
"There is nothing stopping Apple from running OS X on an iPad Pro"
How about the fact that Intel mobile processors are kinda poor at being mobile in comparison to ARM processors? So, if apple were to switch OS X to the iPad, it'll have almost NO software because x86 (CISC) software won't run natively on ARM (RISC) architecture. That means, your grand idea of running photoshop on an iPad through OS X won't happen, whoops #1. Then there's the processing overhead involved. Whoops #2. And, because of whoops #1, they'll be essentially snatching the rug from under their OS X AND iOS developers once again. Whoops #3. Then there's the fact that Apple would have to completely flip OS X's interface onto its head to make it work with touch. Whoops #4. As an engineer you should have known all of this. It's not as simple as installing OS X on an IPad and calling it a day. Even if you did that, none of the existing software would work without some really painful software implementation to emulate x86 architecture. Conversely, they can't just make them x86 tablets because Intel doesn't do mobile well and even if they did, Apple would be shooting all of the third party developers on their more popular platform square in the gut in favor of a less popular, less profitable platform. Does not compute.
Apple has a long history of suddenly changing its architecture and such. Each time it was painful for everyone involved and Apple had to basically pull a rabbit out of a hat to make it work because they HAD to make those changes. They don't HAVE to push their less popular platform. Macs are doing well enough but osx doesn't have anywhere near the install base or third party' support that iOS has, so OS X on a tablet won't happen. If you really want an OS X tablet, buy an axiotron modbook or invent a time machine, go back in time to the late 80's and make sure that macs are so popular that iOS never gets invented.
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Apple's iPad Pro beating Microsoft Surface in 'detachable' tablet market
I wouldn't trade in my MacBook or my iPad Pro for a surface pro.SnRa said:
The Surface is running Windows 10 and can function in place of both an iPad Pro or MacBook. You make it sound so black and white, like a hybrid device must be a terrible solution. Versatility, performance and capabilities are what makes the Surface unique. Often it will be up to the user to best utilize a device's capabilities in its respective form factor.sog35 said:iPad Pro has literally replaced my wife's laptop. It really is an amazing device.
The surface is a compromised product because it is not a good tablet at all. I have no idea why someone would buy a Surface instead of an iPad Pro or Macbook. -
Will Apple's 9.7" iPad Pro take a chunk out of Microsoft Windows?
Well, here's an add that Microsoft emailed the other day.tchncllyspkng said:fallenjt said:Microsoft tablet is a joke for the price especially now their Windows 10 with backdoor was built for China government. US Gov might already had that Win10Gov version installed in the tablets.
I'm glad that I refused to use Windows devices at home in the last 6 years.
I bet Microsoft were really worried about you not using Windows, must have kept them all awake at night!
They seem to be shakin a bit. Notice, used MacBook or surface. Not used laptop or used computer. No, to get the discount, you need to bring a Mac to the chopping block or another surface tablet.
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Will Apple's 9.7" iPad Pro take a chunk out of Microsoft Windows?
Couldn't they simply add that functionality to iCloud? I think it would be nice for iCloud to be more like Dropbox.mad1at35 said:There are many ifs and buts with the line of reasoning, but part of the problem with this utopian vision is that parts of iCloud are problematic, unreliable or a bit clunky. It needs more work.
Still Microsoft can't crow too much, OneDrive is poor and trying to download updates can be variable. The business side is much better but then it cost, a lot!
The best example of a cloud service is Dropbox. It really is EXCELLENT. I had an inclusive OneDrive subscription with office 365 but chose to continue paying for Dropbox. Both Apple and MS should take a look a that service.
The other issue with cloud services is that it relies on a great internet connection. It's okay if you have 50Mbit, 100Mbit or even gigabit connections. In the UK that's a big variable IF! Where I live I'm lucky to get 3Mbit down so setting up my wife's new iPad from an iCloud backup took hours upon hours. Send she didn't have that much stuff. And sets downloading music. My new 128gb iPad mini is still going now!
Even if you have a good internet connection it may not help. At work I compared an FTTC and ADSL connection. Speed test shows that the FTTC is over two times faster than the ADSL connection (55Mbit Down, 7 Mbit up v 22Mbit down v 1Mbit up), with similar latency on both.
Durng the day on the FTTC connection any access to Apples CDS is limited to 150Kbps - 300Kbps, whereas the ADSL is chugging along at an average 2.5Mbps! Joke! During the evening the FTTC is upto a nice 4-6Mbps.
And it happens on three other FTTC connections I have tried. The ISP's even admit traffic shaping!
So until the Internet is much much better in every country (not just Korea and Spain), and ISP's improve their core network, then forget it.
Apple really need to include a local document file system in iOS 10, a bit like how Dropbox works on OS X etc
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Will Apple's 9.7" iPad Pro take a chunk out of Microsoft Windows?
Why pay Adobe? Just buy a competing image editor developer and fabricate a powerful first party image editing suite. Then leave the ball in Adobe's court to compete or be left high and dry.ireland said:If I were Apple I'd pay $1B if necessary to Adobe to persuade them to bring PS-proper to iPad.
And I'd send Autodesk a few hundred million to bring AutoCAD over.
Apple has all the money in the world, they can use some here to achieve their goals for iPad. AutoCAD Photoshop and a few apps such as these created for touch would make all the difference in the world to how the iPad is perceived for professional work. And once these apps happen most every other pro app will want to follow.
