george kaplan

I don’t have the Arlo doorbell, but I have 7 of their cameras and 5 of their lights around my property. The software has been reliable, and no hint that they are misusing client data, the way Ring/Amazon has. The cameras integrate with HomeKit, and I suspect the doorbell will soon enough.

AppleInsideOutsider said:

Yawn

I need a better phone, not a computer, not a tracker

better battery , rugged , not burdened by complications that drift attention far from the tasks at hand

Privacy

without "features" that only add complexity.

Get the core solid

it ain't

 I don't walk around staring into my hand , like Narcissus into the pond.

Go back to the Design philosophy you abandoned years ago.

You are high on your own gas

You need a Jitterbug, son. That, and a different place to hang out because there isn’t much here that fits your narrow world view.

Buying TW makes enormous sense strategically for Apple. It would put them so much closer to their goal of a self-driving Apple TV. 

mystilleef said:

sog35 said:

mystilleef said:

sog35 said:

mystilleef said:

sog35 said:

mystilleef said:

Specs don't matter. User experience does.

The Pixel is a vessel for Google's AI and Machine learning prowess.

And right now, you'd be hard-pressed to find a phone with a better AI and multimedia experience than the Pixel.

This is why the Pixel is better than any phone Apple has created. And will continue to be better than any Phone Apple will create moving forward.

Unless of course, AI and Machine Learning is just a fad.

We shall see.

People vote with their wallets. 

You can make up all the high sounding jibberish you want. But ultimately its the consumer who decides which phone is the best for the 'real world'

We shall see how many $650 Pixel phones Google sells vs the iPhone7.

That will be the answer to which is the better phone.

The Pixel is not going to sell better than the iPhone 7. It's a new brand. And Google doesn't have the retail and supply chain expertise that Apple has.

However, if Google continues to be at the forefront of AI and Machine Learning, then within the next couple of years, the Pixel will become a serious and formidable contender to the iPhone.

Google with the Pixel brand is the only company that can topple the dominance of the iPhone. Apple should be very worried, considering that they're behind in AI and Machine Learning.

Google over the years has avoided directly competing with Apple, but now, they've just dropped the gauntlet. People are underestimating the Pixel based on specs. That's misguided.

The Pixel's nuclear bomb is AI. It has better smarts than any smartphone. Period. And those smarts are only going to get deeper and more profound as the months and years pass by.

Are you telling me the AI in the Pixel won't be available on $99 Android phones?

And stop acting like Google somehow discovered the AI god-child. Give me a break. Apple already has a huge AI team. IBM, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter, and Amazon.

Stop acting like Google has a monopoly on AI. They don't.

And please explain to me why the average consumer would choose a Pixel phone over an iPhone based on AI? Why?  90% of iPhone users don't even regularly use Siri. Why the hell would they abandon a brand they trust for AI? Give me a break. 

AI on its own is useless. It's how you use it that matters. Google is at the forefront of AI not because they're good at it, but because they've figured out how to harness it in ways that has left plenty of the industry flabbergasted and flatfooted.

A car that drove itself was in the realm of science fiction just a couple of years ago, until Google made it a reality. A computer that could defeat Go was supposed to be many decades away, until Google demolished that myth this year. Indexing the worlds knowledge and making it accessible to all made for a nice corporate mantra, until Google made it happen.

Google has consistently delivered on the promise of AI in a manner that is accessible to anybody, and in a way we take for granted today. That's why Google is better. It's no longer research for Google. They're now ready to unleash it to the world.

If you look at Google's hardware event through the lens of just specs, then yeah, there's nothing to impress. But if you dig deeper and look closely, the specs really don't matter. Google is transitioning from the web to hardware. And hardware is just a vessel for their AI.

Google Home is not out yet, and it's already better than the Amazon echo without even trying. Mind you the Echo probably has the better specs. But specs don't matter beside smarts.

Uh....Since when did Google release a self driving car? The only semi-automous car I see being sold is Tesla.

So people are going to buy hundreds of millions of Pixel phones because its AI can beat an advanced Go player? LOL.

come on dude. Just stop. AI is impressive but it doesn't sell phones.


Your bias is really ridiculous. You have not spent a single second using Google Home and you already say its superior to a well established Echo line. Really? People call Apple fans sheep. I should start calling Google fans zombies. 

Google has been working on AI for over  decade. And the only thing they figured out is how to sell more ads.

And why the hell are  you wasting your time here?

You basic message is Google will use AI to destroy Apple, Amazon, IBM, Facebook, Tesla, ect. Sure dude.  Go preach your message in an Google forum.

AI isn't the end all be all. Look at Maps. I think you would agree that Google Maps has better AI than Apple Maps. Yet 80% of iPhone users use Apple Maps. PEOPLE. DONT. CARE. 

I'm confident if there was a level playing field, Google Maps on iPhone would be more popular than Maps. But there isn't a level playing field. Google Maps is after all, by far the largest mapping service in the world.

The playing field is incredibly level. Google Maps has been available on the iPhone for years. Tim Cook even recommended iPhone owners use Google Maps when Apple Maps melted down at its introduction.

The difference is, that was then, not now. The operational difference between the two is now negligible, but Apple Maps is more deeply embedded in the iOS. Nothing unfair about that. Google has been doing the same with Android OS for years.

gmgravytrain said:

wood1208 said:

These Google Pixel phones will be forgotten soon. Price is very high and features are pretty much average or below comparing to other phones on market. You will be better of buying Nexus or wait 2-3 months and it will be far cheaper because of inventory build up. No one will buy at current price.

Analysts believe this particular hardware is going to drive Google's share price up to $1000 a share and I'm willing to bet it will happen sooner than Apple gets back to $130. Wall Street is always impressed by everything Google does. You don't hear any analysts and pundits saying how underwhelming or boring the Pixel smartphones are. They seem to reserve that sort of criticism for Apple hardware. All I've heard is how these Pixel smartphones are going to give the iPhone a run for the money with Google coming out ahead. No doubts were expressed about how well the Pixel smartphones are going to sell. Wall Street clearly praises Alphabet and despises Apple. Most of the internet is saying how Google is the new Apple because they're doing everything right while Apple is doing everything wrong.

There is a term for those who take their lead from reading Wall Street analysts: Suckers. If you want to know what is happening in the field of consumer electronics, the very last resource you'd want to use is the aggregate of opinion from Wall Street analysts. They're worse than tech writers, and theirs is a very low bar to hurdle.

I've not read any of these glowing comments to which you refer, but I would take them with extreme skepticism. We have had in our family over the years no fewer than 4 different Nexus phones (which were/are very much Google phones), and Google didn't have the slightest clue how to market the phones. The best idea was the Nexus 4, which sold for $400 price points.

Meanwhile, the wife's Nexus 6 still hasn't received its push for Android N, even though the software has been formally released since August. This, for a phone Google itself brought into this world, which doesn't rely upon the whims of a manufacturer or carrier to release the update. Google alone is responsible for this phone getting its update, yet it hasn't managed this simple task in the 6-8 weeks that N has been publicly available. While I know I could sideload the new OS, that's hardly the point: I'm a customer, not a pirate. I shouldn't have to resort to schemes to get what is supposedly freely available to us for this legitimate and factory-spec Nexus 6.

Meanwhile, one iPhone, two iPads and an Apple Watch were all updated within the first 4 hours the iOS update went live last month.

Think of that as you consider placing your faith in Google for future updates on a Pixel phone. I was considering replacing the wife's Nexus with the Pixel XL when I read the reports over the Summer, then realized the price/performance ratio was poor as I read the specs the day it was released. With the difficulty Google has with updating this Nexus 6, I was reluctant to reenlist for another tour of duty. The pledge to provide 2 years of updates--a pathetic pledge to a customer you're expecting to pay a premium price for your product--made me realize Google doesn't get it when it comes to selling the hardware.