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jungmark said:

Apple is only scanning images in iCloud. And only comparing the hashes to known images in the CSAM database. So your kid taking a bath won’t get flagged. 

Literally not the case, they're running the scan on your own device, right now it's just before uploading to iCloud, though yes, today it should only flag matches to whatever hashes.

Other than that, you ignored every concern.  Why not run recognition on your camera and audio feed to look for these crimes proactively?  You're not going to commit a crime, are you? Honestly, if we just had cameras through our homes (why hello Ring!), we could save everyone eventually.

Having the company that sold you your phone run scans of your local files is seriously creepy, and it just won't stop there.  Putting the tech on the phone is total overreach and opens a huge can of worms.

aguyinatx said:

It's terrifying that Apple is allowing the government to bypass legal restrictions that would have made this type of search unlawful.  I am not defending criminals or pedos but I strongly object to the government having unlimited insight into the photos on personal devices.  A list of hashes is exactly that, and that list could be expanded to anything the government would like as I strongly assume the the government is providing the hashes to Apple initially.

Yeah, I can see issues with:

1) Ironically, there's a headline right now "iTunes Match is not working for a growing number of users".  Clearly doing matches of content hasn't been their strong suit previously, so...

2) Creepy AF for them to start scanning the files on your own device.  If they scan content on iCloud, that's kind of par for the course. Dropbox, Google Drive, etc. all do the same, whether it's disturbing or not. (DMCA takedowns of a video your ripped from DVD at one point. music, etc. - but at least it's something that was pushed to an effectively public place.)

3) Definitely a slippery slope.  Today it's from a CSAM database, tomorrow... is it a PDF of a blank vax card in the database? How about if that card was used to fake a child's vaccination?  Think of the children?  How about when it's the CCP adding images of the Tiananmen massacre to find dissidents?  All it will need is an extra hash or 2, right?  And with the tech there, there's no chance it doesn't get used.

4) Is it really Apple's place to scan the content on your computers?  Really?

I'm assuming this is the "privacy workaround" they've done to dodge other encryption-breaking the government is pushing for, but it's only a matter of time before this becomes a scan of all files, whether being mirrored to iCloud or not, and the type of content is bound to expand.  A bit of general image recognition and it won't need to match that database, just flag what is possibly categorized as problematic (CP, drugs, guns, political content) and upload to the government for review.  Imagine how great this is for "the war of terror", as Borat put it.  None of these tools has ever become less invasive over time. 

Count me in! I'd love to give FB/Zuck access to my health data + unlimited camera & mic access to see how they sell my personal information to advertisers!

They're probably "saving money" by moving to some cross-platform trash like React Native and losing customers with a crappy app experience.

Happy_Noodle_Boy said:

Japhey said:

darkpaw said:

Japhey said:

The dude just wants to listen to his classical. Is that ok with you? There is nothing wrong with Apple promoting whatever “month” is this month. Unless, of course, the user has specifically asked not to be notified about anything outside of their genre of choice. Some people just want to open the app and start listening, without having to sift through whatever social cause is being currently promoted. It doesn’t mean that these people don’t support those causes, or even that they are conservative. It simply means that they only want to listen to what they want to listen to and don’t need, or want, any input from Apple about what that might be. Does that seem like a fair expectation to have? Or, have I somehow triggered you too?

I think you missed my point. He can listen to whatever music he likes, but Apple has every right to promote certain causes because some of their customers will enjoy those recommendations. It's Pride month; that's just a fact. There are thousands of businesses promoting things this month, like they promote Black History Month etc. It's Global Running Day this week; I guess Apple shouldn't give people an Apple Watch badge for doing a treadmill workout on that day because some people don't like running? They just create the playlist and release it; they're not targeting anyone.

Also, there is no option to excuse yourself from such promotions, so they just promote them. They aren't being sent specifically to this guy, so he shouldn't really grumble that it's being pushed onto him.

As I've already mentioned, Apple Music requires you to give it the info so it can be better tailored to your requirements. You need to tell it you don't like certain songs. It'll get better. You can't expect it to be 100% tailored to you at any point.

No, I understood your point because I’m not an idiot. You were trying to shame someone simply because they expressed a disinterest in dealing with the Apple Music equivalent of pop up ads. He admitted to being new to the service, and he admitted to repeatedly telling it what he did and didn’t like. He then expressed annoyance at having been ignored. Perhaps he hasn’t been using it long enough for it to learn his preferences. And, no, you can’t expect everything to be 100% tailored to you, but you also can’t expect it to be 0% tailored to you either…which is exactly the experience he reported having. I think that gives him every right to grumble. 

You know the person in question never stated their gender right? 

What I find odd is taking an article about a pride play list and using it to vent about Apple Music in general. It certainly is dismissive of the actually content of the article. And while I think root cause of that is probably just being a bit tone deaf it I isn’t unreasonable for someone to look at this thread and think “it’s not Apple Music that these people don’t like” 

I signed up this past weekend, didn't realize there was additional content [to me corporate noise / to you corporate guidance] being pushed pretty regularly into the UI when I saw this article - it's just spammy for how I want to use Apple Music - and since I was already annoyed with it not respecting my musical preferences after it asked me what types of music I wanted to hear, I asked about filtering while being irritated, so yes on the tone not being thrilled.  I'll see how the suggestions learn over time & it sounds like the best approach is to avoid the Browse / Video tabs since they don't seem to populate based on preferences.  (I'm not insulted by an assumption of 'he' on a username starting with "Mr", it's a safe enough guess - Japhey, you win!)