mr. h

macxpress said:

aknabi said:

macxpress said:

danvm said:

fastasleep said:

danvm said:

fastasleep said:

entropys said:

I want one USB-A port instead of the fourth TB port.

i suspect that is unlikely..

Yeah, replacing modern ports with old, slow ports are what makes a real Pro computer. 

Do you think that the latest Mac Pro is not "real Pro computer" because it has USB-A ports?

No. What kind of question is that? You're talking about a basic I/O PCIe board which is an option to buy (as far as we know) on a giant machine where you're not removing built-in 40Gbps Thunderbolt 3 port and replacing it with a shitty 5Gbps USB-A port, which are two completely different things.

Devices as the Lenovo P1 have two USB-C ports, two USB-A ports, HDMI and even a SD card reader in a chassis similar and lighter to the Macbook Pro 15".  IMO, there was no need to remove USB-A in the latest Macbook to make it a "real Pro computer". 

Well Lenovo laptops are pieces of shit too so there you go! And are not going to convince me otherwise on that. I don't know why people want to compare such a laptop to a MacBook Pro.

You can agree or disagree with Apple's decision to remove USB-A ports (or any other port) from their notebook lineup but you can all but guarantee it ain't coming back. Honestly, the MacBook Pro is the most versatile laptop Apple has ever produced. You don't need an array of legacy ports to make it a "Pro" computer. The USB-C ports can be adapted to just about anything you could possibly ever want while also charging from any port, keeping the footprint of the device down, making it as Apple intended with its thinness, etc. 

Well if you look at the ThinkPad Carbon X1 with legacy ports, 64GB of RAM, great keyboard and build (it's a ThinkPad) and the form factor of a MBP 15 the statement is current... that you can't/refuse to accept facts or logic demonstrates religious blindness as opposed to a rational, fact based argument.

Oh, and I don't know how many times I've been embarrassed by connecting my MPB with the 3 different USB-C->HDMI dongles (including Apples) and not being able to connect to a client HDMI monitor... only to USB stick it to someone to plug in their "shit" Lenovo/Dell/HP in order to show it.

Well that's your own fault...there are alternatives. 

Apologism at its finest. Can Apple really do no wrong in your eyes? He says he has three different USB-C to HDMI converters, including Apple's own, and none of them work. And that's somehow his fault? No - the blame in this situation is clearly on Apple.

StrangeDays said:

mr. h said:

Keychain adaptors are small but they still bulk up your keychain. If I had an HMDI adaptor and USB-C to USB-A adaptor on my keychain, I'd no longer be able to fit my keys where I need them to fit. Again, I ask the question, why not have four TB-3 ports AND USB-A, HDMI, and SD-card slot? People who so easily dismiss these as "not necessary" because you can "just replace all your cables" obviously don't ever have to collaborate or work with anyone else, where you don't have control over what cables are available or what kind of USB stick someone else has. It's clear that Apple left out all other ports for two reasons:

1. To increase margins
2. To try to force a migration away from "legacy" ports.

Wrong. It’s about limited space for ports and controllers. That’s why the 2019 iMac has all those legacy ports still. If it were your absurd claims they would do it across the board. 

I don't buy that for a second. Apple could get 4 TB3 ports + the other ports in there if they wanted to.

aknabi said:

macxpress said:

danvm said:

fastasleep said:

danvm said:

fastasleep said:

entropys said:

I want one USB-A port instead of the fourth TB port.

i suspect that is unlikely..

Yeah, replacing modern ports with old, slow ports are what makes a real Pro computer. 

Do you think that the latest Mac Pro is not "real Pro computer" because it has USB-A ports?

No. What kind of question is that? You're talking about a basic I/O PCIe board which is an option to buy (as far as we know) on a giant machine where you're not removing built-in 40Gbps Thunderbolt 3 port and replacing it with a shitty 5Gbps USB-A port, which are two completely different things.

Devices as the Lenovo P1 have two USB-C ports, two USB-A ports, HDMI and even a SD card reader in a chassis similar and lighter to the Macbook Pro 15".  IMO, there was no need to remove USB-A in the latest Macbook to make it a "real Pro computer". 

Well Lenovo laptops are pieces of shit too so there you go! And are not going to convince me otherwise on that. I don't know why people want to compare such a laptop to a MacBook Pro.

You can agree or disagree with Apple's decision to remove USB-A ports (or any other port) from their notebook lineup but you can all but guarantee it ain't coming back. Honestly, the MacBook Pro is the most versatile laptop Apple has ever produced. You don't need an array of legacy ports to make it a "Pro" computer. The USB-C ports can be adapted to just about anything you could possibly ever want while also charging from any port, keeping the footprint of the device down, making it as Apple intended with its thinness, etc. 

Well if you look at the ThinkPad Carbon X1

UGH! My eyes! That thing is even uglier than a Dell!

Keychain adaptors are small but they still bulk up your keychain. If I had an HMDI adaptor and USB-C to USB-A adaptor on my keychain, I'd no longer be able to fit my keys where I need them to fit. Again, I ask the question, why not have four TB-3 ports AND USB-A, HDMI, and SD-card slot? People who so easily dismiss these as "not necessary" because you can "just replace all your cables" obviously don't ever have to collaborate or work with anyone else, where you don't have control over what cables are available or what kind of USB stick someone else has. It's clear that Apple left out all other ports for two reasons:

1. To increase margins
2. To try to force a migration away from "legacy" ports.

Back in the day, I was absolutely all for option 2 above. I'm glad that Apple went all-in on USB with the iMac etc. However, there's some very important things that have changed in the marketplace since then, that means that trying to pull the same trick again just isn't working:

1. Computer replacement cycles have dramatically increased. We've reached the point that for many, a computer is an appliance - you buy one and keep it until it breaks and then buy a new one. Gone are the days where your computer feels ancient once it's 18 months old, and you buy a new one to get double the CPU power, double the GPU power, double the RAM and double the storage. When well under 50% of households even have a computer, and upgrade cycles are 18 months, it's easy to move everyone to a new IO standard. When it's over 80% and the cycles are 5, 6 + years, it doesn't work so well.

2. Similarly, display upgrade cycles are also very long. So transitioning away from HDMI is going to take a very, very long time.

3. USB-A has become a "DC power" standard, with it built-in to mains (grid) sockets, in public spaces such as airports etc. So, if you buy something rechargeable, it'll often be supplied with a USB-A cable for recharging. This is not changing. Similarly with USB sticks - most people who have one, have a USB-A one.

fastasleep said:

danvm said:

fastasleep said:

entropys said:

I want one USB-A port instead of the fourth TB port.

i suspect that is unlikely..

Yeah, replacing modern ports with old, slow ports are what makes a real Pro computer. 

Do you think that the latest Mac Pro is not "real Pro computer" because it has USB-A ports?

No. What kind of question is that? You're talking about a basic I/O PCIe board which is an option to buy (as far as we know) on a giant machine where you're not removing built-in 40Gbps Thunderbolt 3 port and replacing it with a shitty 5Gbps USB-A port, which are two completely different things.

No need to replace any of the TB3 ports. There's plenty of room in that chassis for the TB3 ports and a USBA port. And an HDMI. And an SD card slot.

What I don't get about apologists for the MacBook Pro's stupid port offering is: how is adding more ports a bad thing? Would anyone possibly be actively put off buying a MacBook Pro if it had four TB3 + USBA + HDMI + SD Card?