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Apple Pencil functionality compromised with third-party iPad parts
Until there’s no car company left that allows your car to be serviced by an independent shop.gadgetcanadav2 said:
If Ford requires all maintenance from Ford, you have the choice not to buy their product. Same with Apple. What you want is to dictate to Apple how they should run their company. Apple is in business to make money, not coddle to your whims.MplsP said:
And you have the option to take it to Apple.pscooter63 said:If I'm a pro, using a "pro" device, why would I want to risk my livelihood with ill-informed repair people? Which is what this article really highlights.Go back to the car example - if FedEx gets its trucks from Ford do they and should they need to go back to a Ford dealer for every repair? Or is it conceivable (I know, this is way out there) that a non-Ford mechanic might be qualified to make a repair?
When it comes to consumer electronics this has pretty much happened already; there is no choice.
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Apple Pencil functionality compromised with third-party iPad parts
Nice try. I am confident that Apple don’t use serialisation to prevent second or third parties from repairing devices, it’s just a “fortunate” coincidence for them that it does, in the absence of Apple providing tools to allow things like displays and motherboards to be re-paired.davidw said:
Just because one replaced a bad Apple iPad part with the same part from another same model Apple iPad, it doesn't necessarily mean that the Apple part use as the replacement, is not a "third party" part to the iPad being repaired. Even the same Apple parts could be made by different companies, the same company but at different factories, the same company but made months apart, the same company but using components from different manufacturers, etc.. Even though they are all the same part, each one or each batch might need to be calibrated differently to the logic board and other parts within the iPad, due to any slight differences between them. Which is one of the main reason why serial numbers exist on these parts. The serial number reveals what company made the part, the factory that made the part and the date the part was manufacture. The serial number helps Apple keep track on whether any high number of part failures are related to certain batches of the part . Thus telling Apple which devices sold might end up needing repair because of the same part failing.greg price said:The symptoms sound more like it's a calibration issue, not serialization.
Just because someone knows how to solder some components doesn't mean they understand the design and hence how to repair something.
Too many seems to think that the only reason why Apple serialize parts, is to prevent third parties from repairing the device with the failed part. .
There are zero technical reasons why Apple could not provide such tools; they choose not to because it’s (superficially at least) good for their bottom line.
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Apple Pencil functionality compromised with third-party iPad parts
It hurts my brain how many people have fallen for the "repair people are idiots who don't know what they are doing" bullshit. -
Apple Pencil functionality compromised with third-party iPad parts
It's a pity that this major misconception of the right to repair movement persists. Right to repair is not primarily about allowing individuals to repair their own stuff, it's about providing access to legitimate parts, components, tools, and documentation.baconstang said:
Just because you MAY repair items yourself doesn't necessarily mean you CAN or should...chasm said:Here’s the problem: most third-party parts are probably fine and Apple should have no problem with them.BUT
It is possible for third-party parts to compromise security. A replaced fingerprint reader, just as a mild example, could not only send your biometrics elsewhere, but could also conceivably compromise the Secure Enclave.So I totally understand Apple’s hostile attitude to using third-party parts — it cannot be sure which are fine and which aren’t, and should probably start a certification program for third-party parts so that the good ones don’t trigger this issue.THUSI doubt it is realistic for Apple to maintain this “you have to use our parts or else” attitude, even if their motives are as pure as the driven snow. Legislation would probably result to bar Apple from requiring only genuine authorized parts, and we REALLY don’t want that.
This allows third parties to provide repair services, so if you don't have the skills to repair something yourself, you can take it to an independent repair shop instead of direct to the manufacturer. This often represents a significant saving, as independent repair shops can for example replace one broken component on a motherboard, instead of just replacing the entire motherboard (as Apple would do). -
Apple Pencil functionality compromised with third-party iPad parts
NO! WRONG!lmasanti said:To make really ‘honest journalism’ the title should have been: “Third-party iPad parts compromise Apple Pencil functionality!”
The ‘culprit’ is the third-party part… not Apple.
But we all know that making Apple appearing in fault of anything… brings page view… a.k.a. as money!
How about you read the rest of the article? In fact, the failure of journalism here is to even mention "third party" parts in the first place, because the only examples given are of genuine Apple parts being used* to attempt a repair, and it doesn't work properly because of serialisation.
* If you take a working screen from an otherwise broken/faulty iPad, that is not a "third party" part, it is a genuine Apple part. If Apple actually cared about the environment or their customers, they would make the necessary tools available to allow parts to be "re-paired", allowing screen swaps like this to work again.
