mr. h

williamlondon said:

mr. h said:

thedba said:

if that was the computing Nirvana, that many think it is, then Apple would’ve been calling it quits on iPadOS by now

No. Because iPadOS is an excellent tablet OS. So if you want to use the iPad as a tablet, iPadOS is better than macOS. I have a surface pro 4 and wish I could replace it with an Apple product, but I can't. If Apple allowed you to boot macOS on an iPad, I'd buy an iPad Pro immediately.

Yeah, because the most success Apple can achieve is by copying Microsoft.

Apple has an extensive history of not being first to market with a particular idea, but rather, being first to market with a specific idea implementation that doesn't suck.

Really, I don't get the resistance to this idea. How does it harm anyone to offer the option of booting an iPad into macOS?

thedba said:

No point was missed.

Yes it was. You're still not getting it.

thedba said:

If you want to be able to use touch or pen input on a full desktop OS, then Windows is the way to go today.

Because it's the only option!

thedba said:

if that was the computing Nirvana, that many think it is, then Apple would’ve been calling it quits on iPadOS by now

No. Because iPadOS is an excellent tablet OS. So if you want to use the iPad as a tablet, iPadOS is better than macOS. I have a surface pro 4 and wish I could replace it with an Apple product, but I can't. If Apple allowed you to boot macOS on an iPad, I'd buy an iPad Pro immediately.

thedba said:

k2kw said:

Apple “another work around because we won’t allow you to run MacOs on the iPad.”

If you want to run MacOS, then get a Mac. 
If you want to run iPadOS, then get an iPad. 

OOF! Way to miss the point.

There are things that iPad hardware can do, that Mac hardware cannot. There are things that macOS can do that iPadOS cannot. Seriously, I'm amazed by the number of people who seemingly lack the required imagination to invisage how running the more advanced OS on the more advanced hardware, might be useful for some people. 

If you wish to use the iPad as a tablet, clearly iPadOS is the way to go. But many wish to use it more like a laptop, with pencil input or occasional touch input (where that is better than mouse/trackpad) - hence the magic keyboard. It's in this latter situation where the iPad would unquestionably be dramatically enhanced by the ability to boot macOS. 

Japhey said:

williamlondon said:

k2kw said:

Apple “another work around because we won’t allow you to run MacOs on the iPad.”

Fucking yawn, not this shit again.

Seriously. Just buy a frigging MacBook instead if macOS is the tool you need to do your job. 

I don't know if you've heard this, but apparently, MacBooks don't have touch screens or pencil support. And both of those things can be very useful in certain situations.

StrangeDays said:

k2kw said:

Apple “another work around because we won’t allow you to run MacOs on the iPad.”

Another “I don’t understand why macOS is not a touch-based OS” post…

That's not what he said. macOS doesn't have to be fully touch-based for it to be extremely useful on iPad hardware. I know it's not going to happen, but I think it would be awesome if you could have the option of booting an iPad into macOS, if attached to a magic keyboard or similar.

fastasleep said:

MplsP said:

fastasleep said:

crowley said:

thedba said:

crowley said:

thedba said:

fastasleep said:

commentzilla said:
If you cannot remember to bring your USB-C hub on the go, you'll probably forget your power supply, wallet and keys too.

Exactly. They have little USB-C to HDMI keychains, and if it were my job to give presentations regularly I'd just have one of those on me at all times. Anyone complaining about forgetting stuff that's required for their job, well not sure that's Apple's problem.

I'll take the HDMI port return if it doesn't reduce the number of other TB3 ports, I'll never ever use it but it won't offend me by being there.

While the sensationalist internet punditry likes to present a hell on earth that looks like this





Real professionals will find an elegant solution like this for home/office use, where with just one cable you get power and all the legacy ports your heart desires



Or if you don't want to pay Thunderbolt prices, maybe something like this will do the trick.




It even has a VGA port. 

But in the end, the 1st image above generates clicks while the latter two are just boring SOLUTIONS. 

Boring solutions that can end up costing a fair chunk on top of your MacBook price, take up a load of space in your bag, and because of the port layout end up making a cable mess.

I say that as a CalDigit TB3 Hub user, who also has an Anker 5 port dongle for away from  home work.  They're both great bits of kit, but if I could get the ports on a MacBook I'd definitely prefer it that way.

A fair chunk? The TB3 dock $299 the USBC hub $99. The combinations are too numerous to mention here and the prices vary anywhere from $49 to $349. You only buy what you need. 

As for the cable mess you speak of, connecting 5 peripherals total, sticking out from the sides of your laptop does not create one? 

I know how much my hubs cost thanks.  Point is, if the ports had been on my MacBook I wouldn't have needed to buy them, and probably wouldn't have, saving myself a significant amount of money.

Cables that all stick out from the side of your laptop are easy to manage, can even be cable tied together possibly.  Take a look at the UtechSmart hub that you posted a picture of.  If it's fully loaded then cables will be splayed out in all directions, making a mess.

The ability to have a single cable to your laptop that provides power and breaks out several cables you'd otherwise be plugging and unplugging every time you switch locations is a life changing thing for the positive. Not sure why you'd fight that.

First, if a cable is ‘life changing,’ you need a better life, but to the point, what USB C does is trade the convenience of one port for the inconvenience of using adapters for everything. 

You also fail to note that USB C is not all roses. There is one port, but the function of that port is undefined so you never know what features that port has. Beyond that, you don’t know what capabilities any given USB C cable has. USB 3? Power delivery? How much power? TB? TB 3 or 4? In some ways, one can argue that USB C is worse because of the added confusion. 

There are some people on this site who’ve evidently never forgotten anything, for whom spending an extra $300 on a hub to make that life changing cable actually do what they need it to do is a negligible sum of pocket change, and for whom carrying around extra equipment is more convenient than just carrying their laptop. For the rest of the world it’s an inconvenience at best and even more frustrating when you consider it’s functionality that virtually every other laptop has, even a POS $250 Lenovo chrome book. 

"Life changing" is a figure of speech. If you move between multiple desks on a near-daily basis, sometimes multiple times a day, having a single cable where previously you had say three or four in my case is most definitely an *improvement*. 

Figuring any of those things out has not been difficult by any means — maybe you find it confusing, but I don't.

I'm talking about a dock you have at your desk(s) with everything set up once and stays where it is,  I don't carry anything around with me. My power source, display and its USB-A power (for the ACD 30" DVI to mDP adapter), my audio interface, headphones/SD card/Ethernet/extra USB ports if I need them — are all in a single box under my monitor with cables tucked out of the way out of sight except for the single cable going to my MBP. Why you'd want to have to manually plug all that shit in every time when there's a simple tidy solution is beyond me. I set this all up once and generally never have to touch it, and it saves me a LOT of time and frustration messing with cables, so the "inconvenience" is really manufactured outrage here. Enjoy your POS Lenovo Chromebook and it's "functionality" lol.

What you're doing here is demonstrating quite nicely what thunderbolt is best at - allowing a connection of a plethora of stuff with a single cable - I agree it's a great solution. However, it's not so helpful if you frequently need to connect to *other people's stuff* like a projector or other display where the display-end of the HDMI cable is captive so you can't use your own cable, or someone gives you a usb memory stick to put a file on to, or a memory card to read some picture off. In these cases, having the port directly on the MBP is unquestionably more convenient, cheaper, tidier, more portable, and immune to problems with user's memory (forgetting to bring the crucial dongle).

Hence, clearly the optimum solution is to have thunderbolt ports AND the other ports. I don't recall ANYONE ever complaining that 2 thunderbolt 2 ports weren't enough on the older-generation Pros. I think the ideal would be four thunderbolt ports, one USB-A, one (full size) HDMI, a MagSafe power connector (but device can also be charged via any of the thunderbolt ports), and an SD card slot. This would annoy considerably fewer people. From the rumours, it seems that this is quite likely what we're going to get, probably minus the USB-A port.