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ireland said:

rogifan_new said:

Why is it so hard for Apple to be straight about this?

This is why public companies are ultimately bad for humanity. The question is, at what point in future history does humanity collectively recognise this. To me, it's plainly obvious the real reason for the membrane is for dust.

cropr said:

Rayz2016 said:

bigbillygoatgruff said:

racerhomie3 said:

People surprised about this should get a desktop, like a Mac Pro. This is nothing new. The thinner the body , the more likely the computer will throttle,to maintain temperatures. I suspect there would be even more complaints , if fans on MacBooks made more sound.

The issue is that the i9 MBP isn't performing as advertised in these tests.  That's a completely different issue from a user choosing the right tool for the job.

Did Apple say that the processor wouldn’t be throttled? Don’t think they did, no. 

It is logical that there is throttling for the burst frequency, but it is unacceptable that a there is throttling below the base frequency, which is defined as the frequency at which   the CPU can run irrespective of the load.  

If these test results are confirmed by others and Apple has no remedy in the short term, I can only have serious doubts that Apple can still be  a trustworthy laptop supplier, who does not deceive the customer by marketing claims it cannot fulfil.

Apple would better invest more time in building the best qualitative laptop available iso. focusing on thinness, which is, for professional laptop users, not that important.

frantisek said:

DuhSesame said:

ahobbit said:

The real question is, how could this have gotten past Apple QC?

if simple tests as the ones done by Lee, AI and others reveal a potential throttling issue where the i9 is unable to maintain the advertised base frequency, even ending up slower in some cases than last year's i7 model, how could Apple not have known about this?

Does it mean, Apple cares more about specs on paper than real world performance for pro users?

Didn't Apple bring in-house many pro users to have them help design the next Mac Pro?
Why were these people not involved in the MacBook Pro i9 testing?  Wouldn't that seem obvious?
A wasted opportunity?  
A waste of in-house resources?

Apple more and more seems poorly managed...
For all the money and resources they have, they should produce better results - if it is true that they still care about pro users, as they claim.

Either they don't actually care as much as they claim - or cannot do any better than that.

Both are very troubling if you are a pro user.

Again, short-time bursts.  i9 will make things like opening applications or other small actions faster, but not long-term computing.

The only thing that can provide maximum turbo boost for an i9 can only be those huge gaming laptops.

Apple got trapped or being visctim of customers desire for powerfull MBP with 32 GB of memory. As is written above, some will get burst benefits and even some benefits from 2 extra cores but for long term benefits it will need eGPU I guess.I can offload some but not all CPU tasks.

superk9 said:

henrybay said:

You forgot to mention that the 2012 MacBook Pro has a fabulous keyboard. The new keyboard is terrible by comparison, with hardly any key travel. 

My mid-2012 MBPro Retina has 16g, 250g memory six ports has been a champion. Price: $2,399. With the exception of a system crash earlier this year (2017) and earlier screen replacement, it has served me very, very well. Thankfully the crash was not a hardware crash, but it took three+ weeks and lots of time to recover. Love the keyboard I'm typing on right now, and don't mind its weight and size, just hope it can last until something better comes along -- at a reasonable price. Are you listening, Apple?

mpschaefer said:

Like Adyb my 2012 rMBP was my favourite computer to use. It still has the ghosting screen issue, as it never bothered me enough to get it replaced under the repair program. And after upgrading the drive to a 1TB drive it was a tremendously great machine for my work use-case.

When I was contemplating the upgrade to the 2017, I truely struggled with the notion about how little seems to have changed in 5 years. Sure, faster processor, faster SSD but in general terms the machine was more or less the same. In my case, my hand was forced by the company's IT department moving to support Macs (previously unless you were part of a special club all Macs were BYOD) and the chosen model and specification was a true travesty for my work use-case. [Think 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD]

So, I purchased the top model 2017 rMBP with a 1TB drive. If I could have waited for the 2018 I would have but it is was it is. 

The machine is like a refreshed model of what I already had, but it's a nice refresh. 

The keyboard takes some getting used to, and is still a little nosier than I would like but with a silicon cover in place from day one, hopefully my habit of eating lunch over my machine will not result in an issue.

The USB-C "issue" was really a non-issue from the start. Most data I host on the machine or access via one Cloud / Online Storage Mechanism or another. I bought a dongle so I can connect to Ethernet or Projectors when the need arises and an adapter for USB Drives and Keys etc when I don't want to bother with the dongle.

I would have no issue recommending the MBP to anybody but would suggest if they are getting a 2016 or 2017 they put a keyboard cover in place from the beginning to reduce the chance of an issue due to dust or crumbs.