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avon b7 said:

Apple definitely does not have any such 'broader or taller technology stack to work with than any other competitor' . That is ludicrous.

Ludicrous in the extreme.

I would like you to support that claim.

Seriously? In that case, which other competitors author their own operating systems for several categories of products they sell in volume, just like Apple does with macOS for desktops, iOS/iPadOS for mobile devices, tvOS for set-top boxes AND watchOS for wearables?
And how many of those competitors design the very microprocessors that go into their own products?

GeorgeBMac said:

Meet my grandson.  He asked for a MacBook for Christmas so I got him one -- thinking he would use it for school (little knowing that Corona Virus was coming right around the corner).   But soon i saw it sitting all lonely in a corner by itself.   It turns out both he and his mom hate MacOS and refused to use it.

So, I installed WIndows 10 under Bootcamp.   Now he uses it everyday and his mom wants one too and has been trying to steal his -- but he'll have none of it!  They both love his MacBook Air now that it runs Windows 10.

That's a damning indictment of Windows laptop manufacturers: it means Apple unintentionally makes better Windows computers than makers for whom Windows is their primary focus.

dysamoria said:
The state of being flawed is normalised by the tech geeks. “You don’t understand how complex software is” becomes a special pleading (logical fallacy) defense of inherently bad tech. Non-tech users and customers are bullied into accepting it because where is there any other option? Free market? Ha ha ha ha ha. The state of computing itself, and the culture of “everything has bugs”, is the problem, not the individual brands (though yesterday’s Apple were more strict about the number of bugs they allowed in shipping products and used to have design so good that it pushed the industry forward a little bit; but no longer).

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This is full blown CULTURE. Almost nobody knows how to see outside the context of broken crap as a norm.

Interesting rant.
You must have scored one hundred percent in every assessment you've undergone in your life.
Someone of your ability must be incredibly wealthy from providing complex products and/or services that are flawless.
Yet with all your talent, it's incomprehensible why you've failed to persuade the tech geeks and industry to follow your perfectly superior approach.

GeorgeBMac said:

Sorry, but without an external keyboard and mouse or trackpad the iPad WAS mostly just an output device and not a "real computer" capable of "real work".

Elementary computer lesson: keyboards, mice and trackpads are optional peripherals which allow a human to interact with a connected computer.
The computing is done by the box with the CPU inside it, not by the peripherals in the periphery.

By your logic, no server in a server farm is a real computer as they have no mouse or keyboard attached.
Also by your logic, if you take a desktop computer from an office, then disconnect the screen, keyboard and mouse, it has ceased to be a real computer doing real work, even when continuing to do the work that had been set before the peripherals were disconnected.

Also consider, were there no computers until Douglas Engelbart created the computer mouse in the sixties?  If so, just what did he connect the computer mouse to?

vannygee said:

mac_dog said:

You must not be a very good pro if you’re complaining about $5000. Seriously, you can write that shit off as a business expense. Go bother some other forum. 

Or pro enough to get your money's worth. My MBP  is due for an upgrade. I can not in good conscience buy a 4c 10nm / 8c 14nm+++ laptop when AMD is shipping CPUs like the 4800u. If you're on this forum reading posts like these, waiting for hardware you're way past the point where price is your concern, this is about performance.

I have been prepared and have been paying the premium for macOS, just please, give me pro hardware as well.

According to the Geekbench Benchmarks, the current highest performing 2019 16 inch MBP is 33% faster than its 15 inch counterpart.
Apple's US base price for fastest 2019 16" MBP is $3099, which is less than $40 a week when paid within the 18 month interest-free promo scheme.

A consistently 33% faster machine means doing what used to take 40 hours a week in 27 hours, saving 13 working hours a week, or being able to do an extra 13 hours of work a week in the same 40 hours.  At a minimum wage of $10 an hour, that's $133 a week, $10,374 over 18 months.  Hopefully as a skilled pro, your rate is worth more than minimum wage.

So as a pro who likes to get their money's worth, can you, as you exercise your good conscience waiting for a 4800u MBP, afford not to upgrade and lose $100 a week, $7800 in 18 months of potential revenue?