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iPhone X review: Apple's Face ID vision for the future of iOS
k2kw said:Rayz2016 said:fmalloy said:lkrupp said:scottkrk2 said:I'll be sitting out this year's iPhone update, lots of new technology but few benefits.
We already got this from the professional reviewers.
Apple has an incredible knack for offering up anything as "the next big thing" and people just eat it up. It's made them very, very rich. It certainly worked on you.
Can anyone else feel that?
A disturbance in the butthurt.
like a billion Android fans screamed in terror … then were suddenly silenced.
You can always judge the potential success of a new Apple product by the sphincter-clenching jealousy it produces in the “hate Apple until the end of time” brigade.
Though to be accurate, it’s not a hatred of Apple: it’s a lack of confidence in their own choice. They know there is a possibility that there is something better out there, and that knowledge just kills them. The irony is that they claim Android gives them “choice”. But they don’t want choice. They want everyone to use the same phone as they use, so they don’t have to feel that they’re missing out.
It’s bigly sad.
2. Android phones seem to make (at least) one stupid mistake. Essential had a beautiful design but a bad camera experience (a notch I could live with). S8 and Note 8 put their finger print scanners next to the camera (just stupid). And then there are the Pixel 2/2XL's and their screen problems (burning or ghosting within a week)?
3. Why do all the Andrcoidati love their Pixels' because it doesn't have the crap that the OEM's put on their phones. They are looking for a phone that doesn't lag, slowdown, or Freeze over time like an iPhone - or will atleast get them through a year till the next model. See the latest report's about the Note8 freezing. Most Android OEM's don't trust Google.
4. Google doesn't seem to be have a sustained multi-year commitment to hardware. They buy Motorola and then sell it. They start Android Wear and now that has lost steam. How long will Google stay in the hardware business. Who knows?
5 Android has a couple good features (services) - I think Maps, Search, and the Google Assistant are very good. I wish that Apple would come out with a phones that would improve SIRI at the same rate that Apple has innovated in displays (HDR screen, true tone, Super Retina Display) or all the work they put into FaceID with the sensor array in the notch. How about some special dedicated hardware for SIRI - new microphones, on board AI chip for Natural language translation and the ability to work without a Cell connection (I do need to go through those SIRI training videos AI did but that seems so 1990's DragonDictate - Alexa just works for me even when I slur my words at night).
2) Essential was an OK phone, but in many areas, it was 2016 level tech for a 2017 flagship. The S8 had more than a poorly placed fingerprint scanner - basically a partially useful iris scanner, and a completely useless face recognition system. Still did not have depth cameras / zoom on phones costing more than the iPhone 8+. For all of the Android flagships, they are also now well behind Apple in CPU/GPU performance (the term is getting crushed).
5) Fully agree, and it is something that I have been expecting on a new phone since last year. Apple mgmt aren't stupid - they know the enormous criticism that Siri gets (even when as usual much of it is overblown) and that in some ways it is allowing Amazon to get a toehold in the home h/w market. I can only think that Apple are holding off trying to "really improve Siri" until they have some on-device h/w that makes it shine. Something that will have an "order of magnitude" improvement, using items you note (multiple mics, DSPs, neural chip,...) and allow for on-board execution of actions which do not require the 'net. -
Wall Street raises targets as Apple wows with iPhone 8 launch quarter, hype grows for iPho...
Once the analysts digest the reality (over next few months) that the overall iPhone lineup for FY2018 is working and the other product lines firing well, the concern will shift to "so OK, 2018 is going to be good, but that makes 2019 a difficult year in beating 2018, so whatever is Apple going to do...?". -
U.S. lines for iPhone X long, but Apple Stores claim to have 'enough' -- for now
polymnia said:So much for the doom & gloom. All the armchair logistics experts and CEOs were wrong.
They were wrong about the success of iPhone 8 and they were wrong about iPhone X supply. -
Wall Street raises targets as Apple wows with iPhone 8 launch quarter, hype grows for iPho...
Folio said:Bank America Merrill Lynch did not raise their $180 target, which they established back in May. Their analyst Wamsi Mohan raised revenue expectations after yesterday's call and surprise, but not so much the earnings. They only give AAPL a 15x multiple, which they note is high by its historical standards. Due to the range of iPhone's it's tougher to predict margins. Personally, I'm more bullish and believe Apple shouldn't be lumped in with Hewlett Packard as peer. Here is the most bearish excerpt of today's BAML report: "What the bears will fixate on Bears will point to (1) Lack of clarity on supply demand balance for iPhone X, (2) Lower iPhone ASP in the Sep quarter ($618 vs. consensus at $638) bringing into question price elasticity (3) GM guide for F1Q18 (38.25%, mid-point) is lower than consensus of 38.6% (calls into question overall margins for iPhone X), (4) Lack of quantification of pre-orders (5) Reversal of lead times for iPhone X overnight back to three to four weeks. "Where we shake out In our opinion, it is too early to call the demise of the iPhone X despite limited commentary on the earnings call as the first selling date is Nov 3rd. Investors will watch the sell through data and determine if the mix, margin trajectory can support an upside case of $12+ in C18 EPS based on higher ASP and margins. Our estimate of $11.91 assumes solid sell through and a material step up in the ASPs of the iPhone."
- Capital return program. Share buybacks, which is reducing the shares outstanding and increasing EPS. Sales were up 12%, but EPS up 24%! With Apple's excess cash generation, this story will continue for some time. This is the #1 reason that Buffet bought into Apple.
- The iPhone business has shown its resilience & Apple has shown they can grow (even if slowly) beyond it. Apple will not do a Nokia / RIM / Palm. Fullstop.
- Services growth, which is following the increasing Apple installed based and broadening ecosystem
Everything else is noise. -
Apple's Q4 iPad sales signal second quarter of resumed growth
Cali, you are entitled to your opinion, but I don't believe that iPad would have come anywhere near iPhone in units shipped no matter what they did. The smartphone became the must have CE/mobile device - it is more compact and able to be carried on the person - and so the target is everyone. PC's and tablets (however you want to do your computing) are not as large of a market. iPad sales started more strongly, but multiple reasons why that could have been. Then it saturated out, and after the Mini sales fell off due to (in part) larger iPhones, the units declined.
Could Apple have improved the s/w more in the past? Certainly. And it would have perhaps made the decline less. But you can't take a 10.5" iPad from 2017 and say they should have made that in 2015. It doesn't work that way.