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exceptionhandler said:

jdw said:

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I agree.  I was and still am against on device CSAM detection.  I’m ok if CSAM detection happens in the cloud, however… their house, their rules. On device CSAM necessitates the circumvention of encryption to report to a 3rd originally unintended party the data that is in violation of the rules.

I don't follow your logic. CSAM detection is OK if it's done on someone else's computer (Apple's Server in the cloud) but not if it's done on your own phone? If it's done on your phone, you then get the warning and no-one else can tell (unless you keep doing it, which is my memory of what Apple proposed). If it's done on someone else's server then the data is present somewhere out of your control.

I also don't understand what encryption you think is being "circumvented". The data on your phone is encrypted but, within the phone, the encryption keys are available and the data unlocked: if it wasn't, how would Photos be able to display your photos to you? 

entropys said:

Opt in or out is not the same as a company creating the ability to do so. iMessage main thing, apart from the cool blue boxes,is its privacy.  This is helping to wreck it.

on the particular matter, my first thought was how many kids actually have iPhones anyway? But then I am an old fogey from The Time Before Mobiles. Every kid has phones. And privacy, once important, and protection against creation of a Big Brother in all its possible forms, no longer matters.

How is this a privacy issue?

The article says "All detection of nudity is done on-device, meaning that any potentially sensitive images never leaves an iPhone.". If only the phone in question is involved then no-one else is involved, so by definition it's private.

uroshnor said:

iOS has been validated by Australian Signals Directorate for the security classifications used by police in Australia for over a decade, and most Australian (& NZ) police forces use Apple devices at fairly large scales - thousands to tens of thousands of iPhones or iPad Minis mainly in multiple forces.

That's interesting. Did they get access to Apple's source code, I wonder.

entropys said:

There ar so few roads in WA overall I expect carplay is quite good. It certainly worked flawlessly last year when I was there for a funeral.
anyway, several police services in Australia are apple shops, carrying iPad minis as part of their belt gear and all using iPhones.

WA Police used to treat the state in two different ways. There's Perth, a typical city like any, and there's most of the rest of the state. Those in most of the state used dedicated HF comms (long range from big antennas) but very low rate/no data capability. I guess it's mostly still like that.

Security of information tends to be a drag on such systems. Commercial comms, like iPhones, are often unacceptable because their security, though likely very good, cannot be validated by the appropriate regulators. Given privacy laws and respect for individuals' data, this is understandable.

If you want an example of how use of commercial comms can go wrong, look at the Russian army in Ukraine.