sacto joe

anantksundaram said:

sacto joe said:

anantksundaram said:

sacto joe said:

Edit: I daresay you could find a corresponding chart that shows the money flowing out of the hands of the lower and middle class and into the hands of the upper class during this period....

Correlation =/= causation.

No surprise. You would grasp at that straw, now wouldn’t you.

Why is that a "straw"? What, instead, if it was a perfectly sensible rebuttal to a nonsensical statement, a strawman as it were on your part?

The very fact that you're unable to rebut tells us all there is to know (also, see Post #21 above).

It’s at least as much of a rebuttal as your “Correlation =/= causation” statement, which you’ve already backed away from with another poster. Not that it matters, since I’m not posting here to convince you (an unlikely possibility), but to point out to others that there’s another perfectly valid viewpoint than yours out there. Which I’ve now done, so this conversation is at an end.

anantksundaram said:

sacto joe said:

It’s not just Apple, and it’s not just China. This is the dirty little secret that underpins profit for many companies worldwide. 

This is no secret, it is well-known.

If your heart really bleeds (along with that of a couple of others here), I believe you should put your money where your mouth is, and: (i) Not buy the company's products/services; (ii) Not buy the company's stock.

People who do otherwise are simply enablers of a system that they (apparently) vehemently despise. I'd go as far to say, they're being hypocritical.

So I should just not buy the product of or invest in any company anywhere in the world. Smart. Real smart.

anantksundaram said:

sacto joe said:

Edit: I daresay you could find a corresponding chart that shows the money flowing out of the hands of the lower and middle class and into the hands of the upper class during this period....

Correlation =/= causation.

No surprise. You would grasp at that straw, now wouldn’t you.

anantksundaram said:

GeorgeBMac said:

Yeh, that's what Carnegie and and the mine owners told their U.S. workers 100 years ago -- before we had unions and labor laws.  

If unions are so hot, I am sure you can explain why this happened (btw, the graph for Europe is nearly identical):

Unions are the reason most workers enjoy the benefits they presently enjoy. I worked for a subsidiary of GM once as a white collar worker. Our benefits were based on those of GM’s blue collar workers. But the company I worked for was sold off piece by piece to non-union companies that paid less and had less benefits. This chart should not surprise anyone, under the circumstances. 

Edit: I daresay you could find a corresponding chart that shows the money flowing out of the hands of the lower and middle class and into the hands of the upper class during this period....

gatorguy said:

ArsTechnica offers a good viewpoint on Apple's response, one worth considering even if some certain members might not appreciate it being stated as such:
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/apple-takes-flak-for-disputing-ios-security-bombshell-dropped-by-google/

"...For a week, Apple said nothing about any of the reports. Then on Friday, it issued a statement that critics are characterizing as tone-deaf for its lack of sensitivity to human rights and an overfocus on minor points...."

Oh, please! “...lack of sensitivity to human rights...”? Apple fixed the problem and aided human rights in doing so. A lesser company would have bragged about that. So now Apple is accused of insensitivity because they didn’t brag about it? Give me a break!