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gatorguy said:

1STnTENDERBITS said:

chasm said:

Gatorguy: I believe you misread the article and jumped to conclusions. Mikey's article clearly states that Google did not reveal that they had paused the reviews globally until Friday. Your statement doesn't contradict that at all -- it refers exclusively to the pausing of audio review in Germany.

Interesting that you're so quick to defend Google that you'd make a careless error like that.

Also unchanged: Apple among the three companies was the only one that was always anonymizing its voice clips before all this controversy even started, as per their white paper. Anonymizing is not 100 percent foolproof against identifying someone (for example, they identify themselves in the recording, or its obviously a famous person with a distinctive voice etc), but it was and is better than what was previously the policy at Google and Amazon, which left identifying information intact.

I think you're wrong on both accounts.  Read the headline.  It says "Google follows Apple's lead... "  That's not true.  They didn't.  There's no way to misinterpret that. 
Even from the article: "Shortly after we learned about the leaking of confidential Dutch audio data, we paused language reviews of the Assistant to investigate. This paused reviews globally," Google told Ars Technica.  AI changed the context of that quote when they changed the attribution. 
The quote from the Ars article actually reads:
"Shortly after we learned about the leaking of confidential Dutch audio data, we paused language reviews of the Assistant to investigate. This paused reviews globally," Google told Ars today.  They had already paused the reviews when they spoke to Ars on Friday.

You're wrong about the claim that Apple was the only one anonymizing the voice clips.  Google was anonymizing clips that were listened to as well.  Google also made the storing of audio clips opt-in and even if you do you can opt-out at any time.  If you've opted-in, you can set your account to auto-delete every 3 or 18 months.  You can also manually delete them at any time.   From the earlier Ars article on 11 Jul https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/07/google-defends-listening-to-ok-google-queries-after-voice-recordings-leak/

In case you misunderstand my intent, I'm not defending Google.  I am countering your misinformation.

Actually better explained than I did @1STnTENDERBITS 

There almost appears to be a concerted spin effort since in general each of the articles these past days here at AI concerning Apple's review program have contained bits of misinformation, inaccuracies or misleading statements, too many to be coincidental IMO but perhaps they are just simple mistakes. I know it's not typical of AI writers to make such obvious ones though.

rogifan_new said:

gatorguy said:

Quote:
This Android ideology seeks to claim legitimacy for the Google empire by citing the history of Windows PCs. That allows it to portray Apple, the only significant phone maker not using Android, as being in the same position it was during the rise of Microsoft's monopoly over PCs: a sort of oddball that's on the brink of doom, which will soon be entirely taken over by commodity because of the natural law of "good enough" mediocracy established by Windows precedent.

Says no one but a blogger or two and maybe a few disconnected fans. 

So who is this "it" you refer to, the presumed spokesperson for "Android" who is predicting Apple's doom? 

So this is basically just another long worded “editorial” from DED which can be boiled down to whining about media coverage of Apple.

Apple is an anomaly in the business community. I have watched Apple’s culture since 1984, when we bought our first Mac. From the outside, it seemed to morph all over the place. But the folks who worked there never forgot their roots. Not once. A good symbol of that culture is the pirate flag that flew over the Macintosh Division building back in 1983. That flag stemmed from a Steve Jobs speech:

“Steve Jobs began the retreat with three “Sayings from Chairman Jobs”, intended to inspire the team and set the tone for the meeting. The sayings were:

1. Real artists ship.
2. It’s better to be a pirate than join the navy.
3. Mac in a book by 1986.”

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Pirate_Flag.txt

Fast forward to today, and that spirit still inculcates Apple. That pirate flag is still metaphorically flying over the Apple spaceship campus. Steve is gone, Jony is going, and eventually Tim will leave as well. The list of folks who helped make Apple what it is today but are no longer around is staggering. And yet the pirate ship sails on. Only the crew changes.