sacto joe

bohler said:

the most idiotic thing in recent years was Apple buying back its stock and building up a wall of debt $100bn high...insane

melgross said:

sacto joe said:

bulk001 said:

@sacrojoe (@soli you will be ignored) If those who are most vulnerable would isolate themselves the death rate would be significantly lower. Not everyone has to do this. 

Your comments also highlight something else - if it is as terrible as you say then there should be no essential worker to provide alcohol and weed in Colorado. All medical works should stay home (after all their lives are just as important as yours), what about the people who grow our food, stack our store shelves, deliver our orders, get gas to gas stations? Shouldn’t they also isolate and let you just fend for yourself. As long as you are not inconvenienced it is okay? 

Yes a lot of people will die. A lot die from the flu. But we don’t shut down the country for that (it almost doesn’t even get any attention in previous years where 15, 30 or 60 thousand people die without you giving them a single thought - full breakdown of hospitalizations and deaths from flu can be found at https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year). Are their lives any less important? Shouldn’t we have shut down the country for them too? 

So not only is there a lot of needless paranoia and fear but also a lot of hypocrisy in the “concern” expressed by some. 

Faulty logic, bulk. "Essential" means exactly what it says. Are you an essential worker? If so, you're actually duty bound to take your chances, but also duty bound to try your damndest not to catch the virus. Catching it both increases the chances you'll pass it on and increases the demand on the health care system.

By definition, essential workers are workers required to keep the numbers of dead down. Your argument fails on that basis alone.

I know you'd really like to defend your original statement from the basis of logic. But it's looking more and more like you just don't want to admit you were wrong.

It’s a bit more complex than that.no matter how bad this gets, everything isn’t going to shut down, that’s impossible. So there are sectors of the economy that will continue. My daughter’s company in Texas was declared, by the government, to be essential, and she was declared to be an essential employee. Fortunately, she has been working from home for almost two weeks now through logging in on her computer.

bulk001 said:

@sacrojoe (@soli you will be ignored) If those who are most vulnerable would isolate themselves the death rate would be significantly lower. Not everyone has to do this. 

Your comments also highlight something else - if it is as terrible as you say then there should be no essential worker to provide alcohol and weed in Colorado. All medical works should stay home (after all their lives are just as important as yours), what about the people who grow our food, stack our store shelves, deliver our orders, get gas to gas stations? Shouldn’t they also isolate and let you just fend for yourself. As long as you are not inconvenienced it is okay? 

Yes a lot of people will die. A lot die from the flu. But we don’t shut down the country for that (it almost doesn’t even get any attention in previous years where 15, 30 or 60 thousand people die without you giving them a single thought - full breakdown of hospitalizations and deaths from flu can be found at https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year). Are their lives any less important? Shouldn’t we have shut down the country for them too? 

So not only is there a lot of needless paranoia and fear but also a lot of hypocrisy in the “concern” expressed by some. 

bulk001 said:

@sacto joe I appreciate the thoughtful post. And while we are all in this together on one side we have some who even when they know they are sick running around and potentially infecting others and in the other we have people who are acting like we are all going to die. There is room for a balance between these extremes. If you are vulnerable stay isolated. If you are sick stay isolated. Practice basic hygiene. Keep a little more distance. Don’t go to nursing homes, don’t hug your grand kids. Etc. I am glad Apple is looking to open stores as soon as sometime in the first half of April. You don’t like it? Just don’t go to an Apple store! Stay home. But please don’t decide what is best for me. 

bulk001 said:

To all the haters and or / paranoid, if you don’t want to go out, don’t. Especially if there is a high incident rate near you or you fall into a vulnerable population. Evidently though Apple sees that it is unnecessary to close all stores indefinitely and they have been one of the leaders in closing and so trust that they know what they are doing in looking to start opening some stores too. To those who have to work for a living a sensible approach to letting them do so is welcome news to me. @monteo - you, your wife and your teenage daughters don’t have to go to the Apple store. @techno, this is not the Spanish flu so less hyperventilating and more grip on reality? @themonk I actually work for a living, not taking unnecessary risk at spring break but also not hiding out in fear when sensible precautions can be taken (as evidenced by the fact that Apple is willing to open some stores) and @fastasleep well your name pretty much says it all, right? But thanks for calling me a genius!