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StrangeDays said:

What I’m trying to say is you’re delusional and foolish.

And you’re wrong, clearly, as you were proven wrong. What you said is false. It is cited and sourced. You. Were. Proven. Wrong.

As I said and which you ignored

Because it doesn’t matter. Because you were already proven wrong. I didn’t need to pay attention to it.

Gruber has spoken to numerous devs who told him they’d quit

Your anecdotes are not relevant. These individual developers are not relevant within the larger context of the companies in question. Their statements–whether true or false–are not relevant. Because either they outright lied, which is entirely possible (and you’ve no evidence to suggest they haven’t lied since GAG ORDERS exist as a concept), or they told the truth… BUT JUST PERSONALLY DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THE BACK DOORS THAT WE, AGAIN, HAVE PROVEN DO EXIST.

Let that sink into your skull. 

It’s good that a handful of developers (claim to) have principles. I have absolutely no doubt that at least roughly half of them DO believe and would act on what you have said. Your statement, however, is not evidence against that which we have already PROVEN TO BE TRUE. 

Please get in touch with reality. You’re living in a hollywood-inspired, paranoid, nutter bubble.

You have absolutely no argument whatsoever. You have absolutely no evidence for your claims. You have absolutely no refutation for anything I have said. WE HAVE PROVEN THAT THE US GOVERNMENT HAS ACCESS. YOU ARE OUTRIGHT LYING. You don’t even know what the words you’re using mean.

GeorgeBMac said:

LOL....
Calling bull on the ravings of a thoroughly brainwashed right wing lunatic is hardly admitting one was wrong!

So you can’t account for or justify any the claims you have made, cannot refute or respond to any of the statements or questions I have made and asked, and have absolutely no argument whatsoever, choosing instead to simply PERSONALLY ATTACK ME. Got it. Thanks. You were proven wrong and you admit it.

GeorgeBMac said:

So much for the "Free Market promotes competition" nonsense...

You are either clinically insane–by the definition of the word–or you are illiterate–by the definition of the word. You do not understand what the free market, as a concept, is. You do not understand the current American economic situation. You do not understand what the ISPs are legally allowed to do. You do not understand what net neutrality is. You also do not understand what your “net neutrality” was.

You are literally saying “One regulation among thousands was removed, therefore the market is now free, therefore anything bad that happens is the fault of the ‘free market’,” and you think we’re going to believe you. Abject nonsense. You don’t even realize that the free market–as a concept–is an idealistic mathematical equation, and not an ENTITY. Why is it that leftists want to anthropomorphise this shit? It’s the exact same thing with communism. “The free market” as an object is nonsense. When you talk about “the market,” you are discussing the EVER-FLUCTUATING MATHEMATICAL EQUATION WITH HUNDREDS OF VARIABLES THAT DETERMINES ACCEPTABLE SELLING PRICES FOR GOODS AND SERVICES. You behave as though “demand” is a static concept. You behave as though “supply” is a static concept. You behave as though there is a global uniformity of prices for the same goods and services. This is all nonsense.

In short, you are arguing against the self-regulation (not ‘regulation’ the definition we’ve been using thus far, but rather “set [an apparatus] according to an external standard”) of the economy. You are arguing in favor of ARTIFICIAL BIASES to either supply or demand, such that the price of goods and services is ARTIFICIALLY REMOVED from the natural* point at which it is lowest. Since you want to consider “the market” as a static object, observe this graph and then ignore it because it’s fact that hurts your feelings.

*Here again we see that leftism is an unending struggle against the natural, the real, and the objectively true in favor of control, fantasy, and subjectivism.

GeorgeBMac said:

FauxNews combines (some) news along with a heavy dose of propaganda and of it dressed up with talk show like entertainment.   It's best to not confuse it with actual news media -- except for political purposes...   In that case:  Let the false equivalencies fly!

All of the news corporations do that. Every last one of them. And not only because Obama made it legal to use domestic propaganda, because they were all doing it LONG before he repealed that government restriction.

GeorgeBMac said:

The best analogy to the totally free markets advocated by today's Libertarians is a highway without speed limits. It is a now common right wing mythology that regulations grew out of an out of control government focused on expanding its own power.

Quick question (that you won’t answer): If you were to plot all the various political ideologies, how many dimensions would the plot have?

we regulate the banksters because we learned what happens when we don't:   Fraud and Financial Disasters

I could pull a Yuri Bezmenov on you right now and it would blow your mind. Sadly you’d also miss the point.

To trust a Comcast or Verizon more than you trust your own elected government is somewhere between pitiful and laughable.

And yet that’s exactly what you want to do by refusing to address the collusion and monopolies that the government expressly allows.

But, that's the creed of the free marketers:  an either/or choice of "Corporation Good -- Government Bad".

You don’t really seem to know what right-wing thought even is.

GeorgeBMac said:
Bull!   All of it!

A stunning refutation. What an argument.

I’m surprised the article (and commenters) didn’t make mention of this. They very recently made their own card, but internal corporate nonsense kept it from release and completion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um-1fAVU1OQ

StrangeDays said:

Nah that’s just conspiracy theory.

What the fuck are you even trying to say here? Do you know what a conspiracy is? Do you know what a theory is? Do you know that the CIA explicitly created propaganda to slander that phrase?

 Apple has said clearly that they don’t have any govt backdoors and won’t put any in. They won’t do it. 

What part of gag order was unclear? We’ve proven that they do it.

command_f said:

I prefer to think of this as keeping out the bad guys. In my book, in the UK, that doesn't include the security agencies.

We know you’re required by law to say that. It’s okay. We get the message.

rob53 said:
Add the McCarthy witch hunts…

Reminder that when the Russian Federation released soviet documents after the collapse of the USSR that Joseph McCarthy was 100% vindicated and everyone he listed was either an actual communist or funded by communists.

this is supposed to be a democracy.

No, it fucking isn’t. For fuck’s sake.

lkrupp said:

And this, dear reader, is why Wall Street detests Apple. Keynesian consumerism runs purely on fear and greed. How have you made me money TODAY? Why else do you think the rumor mill can manipulate AAPL as easily as it can? Print a rumor that Apple has lowered manufacturing requests and, BANG, AAPL drops.

Fixed that.