tzeshan

razorpit said:

Time to short Intel stock?

crowley said:

GeorgeBMac said:

elijahg said:

GeorgeBMac said:

elijahg said:

GeorgeBMac said:

thrang said:

While I understand that Wistron is responsible here, Apple does not look good with what appears to be a lack of oversight, especially of a newer operation. 

Unless Wistron was cooking numbers that Apple reviewed. But I would think the would have a large team of inspectors to independently and directly verify compliance with their contract standards.

Apple didn't go into India because they wanted to.   They went there (with one of their suppliers) due to extortion by the Indian government.   They likely knew that their hands were tied and their options limited.

India forced Apple, an American company with no ties to India, to sell their phones there? Huh. That's definitely out of order.

You need to pay better attention to news.

India told them:   if you don't manufacture here you don't sell here.   Had that been China heads would be exploding.   But, it was India.

So yeh, the only reason Apple was there was because of India's extortion.

So Apple had a choice: Sell in India or don't sell in India. India didn't force Apple to sell in India as your first post claimed. India forced Apple to manufacture in India if it wanted to sell there too. Just the same as the US government "extorts" money from foreign companies who want to sell in the US by way of taxes. No different. Apple made the decision that it was worth spending the money on manufacturing in India to attempt to get a foothold there. 

Yeh, they did force Apple -- which is otherwise known as extortion.

But then India needed to resort to such low life tactics:   Nobody in their right mind would invest in that country without being extorted.

No, no, no and no.

Setting conditions for foreign companies to sell in your markets is not extortion, not by any common understanding of the word. It is a protectionist trade policy for sure, but it is not extortion, nor is it even that uncommon.  Apple were not forced to do anything.  India is not even a big market for them, so they could easily forego it (or relatively easily compared to the EU markets, which other idiots on this forum suggest Apple withdraw from).  The USA has had not dissimilar trade policies in the past, as have just about every country in the world that cares about its domestic economy.  Your insistence on labelling this as extortion is both literally wrong, and totally wrongheaded and backward.

Your insistence on trying to make India look bad while defending China at every opportunity is extremely suspect Georgie.  I suggest you re-examine your biases.

GeorgeBMac said:

elijahg said:

GeorgeBMac said:

elijahg said:

GeorgeBMac said:

thrang said:

While I understand that Wistron is responsible here, Apple does not look good with what appears to be a lack of oversight, especially of a newer operation. 

Unless Wistron was cooking numbers that Apple reviewed. But I would think the would have a large team of inspectors to independently and directly verify compliance with their contract standards.

Apple didn't go into India because they wanted to.   They went there (with one of their suppliers) due to extortion by the Indian government.   They likely knew that their hands were tied and their options limited.

India forced Apple, an American company with no ties to India, to sell their phones there? Huh. That's definitely out of order.

You need to pay better attention to news.

India told them:   if you don't manufacture here you don't sell here.   Had that been China heads would be exploding.   But, it was India.

So yeh, the only reason Apple was there was because of India's extortion.

So Apple had a choice: Sell in India or don't sell in India. India didn't force Apple to sell in India as your first post claimed. India forced Apple to manufacture in India if it wanted to sell there too. Just the same as the US government "extorts" money from foreign companies who want to sell in the US by way of taxes. No different. Apple made the decision that it was worth spending the money on manufacturing in India to attempt to get a foothold there. 

Yeh, they did force Apple -- which is otherwise known as extortion.

But then India needed to resort to such low life tactics:   Nobody in their right mind would invest in that country without being extorted.

thrang said:

tzeshan said:

thrang said:

While I understand that Wistron is responsible here, Apple does not look good with what appears to be a lack of oversight, especially of a newer operation. 

Unless Wistron was cooking numbers that Apple reviewed. But I would think the would have a large team of inspectors to independently and directly verify compliance with their contract standards.

Do you understand Apple needs to own Wistron in order to do this? 

No they don't. Why would you say this? Apple's supplier contracts can spell out whatever level of detail regarding working conditions, age, conditions, etc. as the supplier is agreeable to.

https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/pdf/Apple-Supplier-Responsible-Standards.pdf

You don't think Walmart doesn't send representatives to China to check on factory conditions? (COVID not withstanding). Which are often sub-contracted factories to the "supplier" to Walmart? With 100% certainty I can tell you they do.

Apple and other large manufacturers have HUGE targets on their backs, both legal and moral/ethical/PR in substance. You don't think they and/or representative agents audit and inspect?

https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/

Progress by the numbers.

• Supplier performance is scored according to a rigorous assessment process in the areas of labor and human rights, health and safety, and environment. In 2019 assessments were conducted at 801 manufacturing facilities and logistics, repair, and contact centers, along with 50 assessments in other parts of our services supply chain. An additional 291 assessments occurred at smelter- and refiner-level sites. And year after year, we see constant improvement.